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Straw Man

(6,775 posts)
4. Two words.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 12:00 AM
Jan 2016

Slippery slope.

They passed UBCs here in New York in 2013. No big deal, right? Just a $10 background check fee if you can find a nearby dealer that will do it for that state-mandated maximum. Many won't, because it's just not worth their time. The law can't force them to do it.

So you look around for a dealer who will, and you end up having to drive an hour or more to do it. Or you go back to the nearby guy, and end up paying his regular background-check fee of $35, or $40, or $50 plus tax. Suddenly that old .22 rifle that your neighbor wanted to sell you for $75 is not so great a deal. But you did your part to make NY safer, right?

Not really. The gangbangers will continue to get their illegal guns through the black market. Spree killers will obtain their weapons legally, because for the most part they're off the legal radar until they launch their murderous schemes. Some sales will be prevented, but eventually shady people will find other avenues to get their weapons.

When these bills passed legislature in 2013, some legislators triumphantly proclaimed that "This is only the beginning." When UBCs fail to have an impact on crime rates, they'll want something else. Who knows what that will be?

Universal background checks stopped some 6,590 people in Colorado from buying guns last year and also resulted in the arrests of 227 fugitives.

Well, if you fail the background check, then you must have lied on the Form 4473, which quite explicitly asks for a Yes or No answer on all the disqualifiers. Lying on the form is a crime. Why, then, were there not 6,590 arrests?
Guns don't kill people; mindem Jan 2016 #1
Guns make it easy forgotmylogin Jan 2016 #26
according to the Wright Rossi study in the 1980s gejohnston Jan 2016 #2
So, is the counter proposal ... earthside Jan 2016 #3
that study was done before the current federal background checks gejohnston Jan 2016 #5
who is calling for NO background checks Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #6
I'm not saying that someone in particular is ... earthside Jan 2016 #10
Better enforcement of the existing laws and a major upgrade in the NICS system is a good start DonP Jan 2016 #13
Concerning UBCs... Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #24
Two words. Straw Man Jan 2016 #4
why no arrests? Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #7
227 arrests ... earthside Jan 2016 #12
227 out of 6590? Straw Man Jan 2016 #18
I think many Coloradans would say the new laws are working. earthside Jan 2016 #19
I'm not sure what we're looking at there. Straw Man Jan 2016 #25
mean ole guns....why won't they stop killing people. ileus Jan 2016 #8
Is there any intention on your part to address the tremendous "trust deficit" that accompanies Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #9
Gun control people feel the same way about gun rights people. earthside Jan 2016 #11
NRA pushed for NICS Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #14
I'm for minimal restrictions. earthside Jan 2016 #16
After Sandy Hook gun control activists poisoned every proposal with talks of bans and registration. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #21
Link please. mikeysnot Jan 2016 #27
That's what *you* claim about your counterparts. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #15
Except that 'gun rights people' aren't trying to take any thing away or limit the personal choices.. beevul Jan 2016 #17
FWIW, gun rights activist here...and helped pass my state's UBC law. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #20
A BGC law is a good thing but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #22
Several reasons krispos42 Jan 2016 #23
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