Gun Control & RKBA

discntnt_irny_srcsm

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129. You probably have no real idea but...

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:14 PM

Oct 2015

...firearms of the day often use ammo over .50 cal which is illegal today. One of the available "arms" was the Cookson Rifle. A repeating rifle which was produced with magazines holding 7 to 9 rounds. Included as "arms" would be swords and sabres, cannon loaded with explosive balls or even grape shot, explosives, lances and spears, halberds and various axes and maces and morning stars.

Rifling dates back to the mid-16th century.

So by your reasoning does the NSA's collection of "metadata" not require a warrant as there were no cell phones in 1791?

It's been only 50 years since the Miranda ruling. Do we need to back up on that as well?

The Founders would not be at all surprised by the performance of today's small arms.

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The Concealed-Carry Fantasy [View all] liberal N proud Oct 2015 OP

Thanks anyway but I'll keep my progressive 2A rights. ileus Oct 2015 #1

So you subscribe to the concealed carry fantasy? Human101948 Oct 2015 #3

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #8

You subscribe to the concealed carry fantasy as well? Human101948 Oct 2015 #17

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #20

Exercise your freedom of thought... Human101948 Oct 2015 #23

Laws don't tell us what's allowed michreject Oct 2015 #32

However, if it is not a guaranteed right then... Human101948 Oct 2015 #39

Perhaps one should worry about restricting the criminals and leave law-abiding people alone. n/t jtuck004 Oct 2015 #41

Thank you Mr. NRA spokesman... Human101948 Oct 2015 #43

Lol. You are so far off, but if that comforts you, then I have done my work. jtuck004 Oct 2015 #48

Another response devoid of content... Human101948 Oct 2015 #49

Talk about devoid of comment. GGJohn Oct 2015 #50

Sort of... Popped right out, there, didn't it. "Oh, darling! I didn't realize!" Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #110

Ironic, from someone resorting to a tiresome cliche. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #60

My wife thrived on the small penis jokes Big_Mike Oct 2015 #100

I have fun with those, too. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #116

Other than the tens of millions who will hold the restricters accountable for it at the polls. beevul Oct 2015 #87

The Second recognizes a right to keep and Bear arms... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #109

I subscribe to the freedoms guaranteed by our Constitution AlbertCat Oct 2015 #44

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #45

"flintlock" is not contained in the 2A and... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #70

"flintlock" is not contained in the 2A AlbertCat Oct 2015 #117

I'm guessing by spiral bore gejohnston Oct 2015 #125

The proper term is "rifled" sarisataka Oct 2015 #126

You probably have no real idea but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #129

And why do people demonstrably ignorant of the subject discussed... Marengo Oct 2015 #133

The irony is thick on that post DonP Oct 2015 #73

There was nothing like a computer in the 18th century. AlbertCat Oct 2015 #118

"Again....why do 2A advocates act so obtuse? Why do they ignore context?" DonP Oct 2015 #128

And you sent this by posting a print copy? I mean, "press" IS THE TERM USED. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #111

You certainly seem invested in framing it as a fantasy. Jester Messiah Oct 2015 #30

Thanks Mr. Truthgiver... Human101948 Oct 2015 #40

Look closer at the URL Jester Messiah Oct 2015 #52

It's an opinion piece, nothing more, nothing less, GGJohn Oct 2015 #54

are you a bitter clinger type??? ileus Oct 2015 #19

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #6

The 2A doesn't say what you think it says and you know it. Darb Oct 2015 #7

Sure it does, GGJohn Oct 2015 #11

And they have confirmed that money is speech.... daleanime Oct 2015 #28

Exactly what my post said. GGJohn Oct 2015 #29

And money is speech.... daleanime Oct 2015 #31

That may be so michreject Oct 2015 #34

To join a militia? daleanime Oct 2015 #38

To join a militia? AlbertCat Oct 2015 #46

What were the federal regulations concerning the militia when the 2A was ratified? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #75

What were the federal regulations concerning the militia when the 2A was ratified? AlbertCat Oct 2015 #90

That means nothing. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #103

"well regulated" AlbertCat Oct 2015 #105

"Well-regulated" meant "well-equipped and proficient with their arms" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #107

"Well-regulated" meant "well-equipped and proficient with their arms" AlbertCat Oct 2015 #115

Do you apply that standard sarisataka Oct 2015 #119

The press is not the same thing as a gun AlbertCat Oct 2015 #120

Obviously sarisataka Oct 2015 #122

You're very wishy-washy about when the standards you choose get applied. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #124

"You don't get to use 18th definitions in the 1st part and 21st century definitions" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #121

And you can only use a moveable type printing press. AlbertCat Oct 2015 #123

I'm not the one arguing only 18c. technology applies; you are. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #127

Damn, cat, the First specifically mentions a technology: "Press." Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #138

The RWNJ supreme court (most right wing in nearly 100 years) that will change soon? MillennialDem Oct 2015 #33

Possible, but unlikely. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #59

And perhaps needful to say, that even Justice Stevens Big_Mike Oct 2015 #101

That doesn't mean... Godot51 Oct 2015 #42

OK, so is the court also full of shit on abortion and gay marriage??? Big_Mike Oct 2015 #102

Justice Scalia has already said that the 2nd "undoubtedly" has its limitations.. n/t secondwind Oct 2015 #36

guns kill people I know... ileus Oct 2015 #18

The 2nd Amendment says what the NRA and right wing SCOTUS says it does... Human101948 Oct 2015 #21

Neither of those entities influence my take on the 2nd Am in the least. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #55

Is there any gun restriction you would favor? Jerry442 Oct 2015 #37

easy gejohnston Oct 2015 #62

You must be referring to a Glock 7. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #74

You sound so silly. "cold dead hands" LOL Logical Oct 2015 #68

you and your NRA talking points. ileus Oct 2015 #69

Your "rights" shit is NRA BS. nt Logical Oct 2015 #78

from 1791....yup. ileus Oct 2015 #79

You don't believe people have the right to carry a gun? beevul Oct 2015 #86

A lot of facts there underpants Oct 2015 #2

There are no facts EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #4

A place where none of this touches - in other words, another fantasy. ROFL. jtuck004 Oct 2015 #47

Prohibition does work EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #61

even before the National Firearms Act gejohnston Oct 2015 #63

"We HAVE prohibited many things to GREAT success howeve" < Your definition of great success leaves jtuck004 Oct 2015 #64

here's the thing about all of that EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #91

you are missing the point gejohnston Oct 2015 #92

nonsense EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #104

this is the guy that used gejohnston Oct 2015 #108

What!!!! GGJohn Oct 2015 #93

That assertion was so disconnected from reality... beevul Oct 2015 #94

What it proves to me is that the poster has no clue GGJohn Oct 2015 #95

Not just you, everyone else that DOES know what they're talking about as well... beevul Oct 2015 #96

I think you are too faith-based to have a worthwhile conversation with. You have no data, and the jtuck004 Oct 2015 #97

CT has an AWB - Adam Lanza's AR-15 was not legally an assault weapon. hack89 Oct 2015 #106

So gun ownership IS about fear, thought so. randys1 Oct 2015 #76

How will you "overrule" virginia mountainman Oct 2015 #67

The suit be very very angry with them... beevul Oct 2015 #98

I wonder if said MAIG stationary would have a "drink ring" from a 32oz Coke on it? virginia mountainman Oct 2015 #99

It would indeed. beevul Oct 2015 #131

Violence Policy Center? GGJohn Oct 2015 #5

So you've got nothing? Got it. Darb Oct 2015 #9

I've got lots more than you do. GGJohn Oct 2015 #10

What a load of crap ol' "GGJohn" is spreading OldRedneck Oct 2015 #13

I seriously doubt you've forgotten more about firearms than I'll ever learn. GGJohn Oct 2015 #15

Seriously, I would challenge him to a duel! Human101948 Oct 2015 #25

Naw, GGJohn Oct 2015 #26

Which brigade sir? DashOneBravo Oct 2015 #65

Being retired military imparts no especial wisdom about guns, as see: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #83

With "two gun safes full" YOU are a gun nut, at least according to the metric... Marengo Oct 2015 #132

Bump DashOneBravo Oct 2015 #134

Still waiting DashOneBravo Nov 2015 #139

I suspect we've seen the last of that poster here friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #140

Probably true DashOneBravo Nov 2015 #141

I'm a grown man and I have lots of toys....dirtbike, kayak, Jeep... ileus Oct 2015 #72

Allow me to inject a few facts discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #12

Glock fondlers The Wizard Oct 2015 #14

What the hell is a Glock fondler? eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #16

When is the last time someone grabbed your gun? Human101948 Oct 2015 #22

Nobody has ever grabbed my firearms, GGJohn Oct 2015 #24

A term employed by someone with no relevant argument. (nm) Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #56

You're not one of those "Glocks are the only firearm" types are you. ileus Oct 2015 #81

"The death toll includes 29 mass killings of three or more people" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #27

The definition of "mass killings" has become quite flexible... Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #58

using the VPC as a source gejohnston Oct 2015 #35

it isn't an article, gejohnston Oct 2015 #51

CCW should be banned. deathrind Oct 2015 #53

"Intestinal fortitude" is irrelevant. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #57

the regressives are already skeert of the 3 people that Open Carry... ileus Oct 2015 #71

Open carry is just showing off, CC covers all the gun needs. Nt Logical Oct 2015 #80

But the poster wanted OC only no CC. ileus Oct 2015 #82

In most cases, not all, the very fact that you are applying for a conceal carry permit is why you randys1 Oct 2015 #77

So a valid use of lethal force sarisataka Oct 2015 #85

"Large amounts of cash:" Like the editor of Mediamatters & hiz armed bodyguard? Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #113

Actually, states have the power to regulate the manner of carry. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #112

Violence Policy Center sarisataka Oct 2015 #66

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #84

The VPC? Please. beevul Oct 2015 #88

In other news, Exxon released a new "study" Kang Colby Oct 2015 #89

Sorry, I will retain the right of concealed-carry... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #114

Of the 579 shootings, how many took place in a "gun-free zone"? discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #130

Oooops! "Police: Customer with concealed carry license kills robber at corner store" DonP Oct 2015 #135

Was this in Cook County? GGJohn Oct 2015 #136

Yup, Chicago South Side. 51st street. Amazing the paper picked it up DonP Nov 2015 #137