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In reply to the discussion: Questions the left won't discuss about gun control, but should - and soon. [View all]beevul
(12,194 posts)83. I hate to point out the obvious...
right now the US has the MOST lax gun regulations of any industrialised nation... there's VERY little the gun folks could have that they don't already have, and frankly those things wouldn't benefit society, just gun owners, which shouldn't be the goal.
I hate to point out the obvious, but the rights of the individual do not exist strictly to "benefit society", nor should they.
I have yet to see a single suggestion by pro-gun people (aside from arm everyone - lol) to reduce violence, and every suggestion from the gun control side is immediately attacked by the monolithic pro-gun side.
First, nobody on the pro-gun side says "arm everyone". That's a straw man, and an old one at that. A fire hazard even, because its so old and dry.
Second, you may see less of the things proposed get attacked by gun rights supporters, once less of the things proposed are retread gun control proposals that the 90s called and wants back.
The gun control crowd may have some luck trying things that aren't 'gun centric' too, but then, that's not good enough is it.
You guys just have to go after the guns, because you can't resist.
So no. The pro-gun side shouldn't need to be bribed to save American lives... and the fact that they think they need to get something in return for saving lives is... well.. I find it distasteful.
In other words, when you said compromise, you really meant capitulation.
Put it another way, what has the pro-gun side done for all the people killed by guns? Hmmm...? Anything? Those people gave their lives and in return they're and their families got what?
NOBODY gave their lives. Those murdered had their lived taken from them by another individual.
The pro-gun side regularly says enforce the law. So enforce it.
Those who committed suicide took their own lives. I support people being able to take their own lives. Since an individuals life belongs to that individual and nobody else, its nobody elses business.
The pro-gun side is not responsible for any of that, except for in the eyes of those who practice the strange logic of holding Miller or Coors responsible for DUIs.
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Questions the left won't discuss about gun control, but should - and soon. [View all]
EdwardBernays
Oct 2015
OP
sure but you would need to PROVE that your law would absolutely improve...
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Oct 2015
#16
Yup, Ireland's always been such a peacful, safe place with no violence to speak of
DonP
Oct 2015
#75
Your WaPo articles speaks to gun violence, not violence as a whole as GE was speaking.
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2015
#54
Welcome. I will respond when I have time to consider your questions thoroughly...
Eleanors38
Oct 2015
#19
I would restrict concealed carry permits to trained professionals with a demonstrated need.
Maedhros
Oct 2015
#27
I wasn't suggesting that it was. I was simply pointing out that a carrying populace does not
Kang Colby
Oct 2015
#34
"Too bad no one but the two of us is reading it." Incorrect, unfortunately for the Stuart heir
friendly_iconoclast
Oct 2015
#160
I currently "live with" tens of thousands of alcohol-related deaths a year...
Eleanors38
Oct 2015
#80
I should have said that there are no mass killings in other countries like in the US.
guillaumeb
Oct 2015
#104
Let's see two threads today about people getting shot by reckless concealed carry
upaloopa
Oct 2015
#127