Gun Control & RKBA

discntnt_irny_srcsm

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23. one of the issues is the lack of common ground

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 05:42 PM

Oct 2015

I can see the genuine concerns of those who want more control based on comparing the US with maybe France or the UK.

I can also relate to the frustrations of gun owners having to talk about things like "assault weapon bans" when the qualities that differentiate a fudd gun from an "assault weapon" are mostly either cosmetic or irrelevant.

Points that some pro-gun folks might give on: UBCs, more training, improving the NICS...
Items that might sway them on some things: open the registry of NFA weapons, loosen the laws on suppressors, CC reciprocity...

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Questions the left won't discuss about gun control, but should - and soon. [View all] EdwardBernays Oct 2015 OP

I think registration of all handguns would be safeinOhio Oct 2015 #1

Thanks EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #2

New York has had that ... Straw Man Oct 2015 #43

In that case safeinOhio Oct 2015 #47

It's the only way EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #50

It will never happen. Straw Man Oct 2015 #56

well.. EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #60

Are you sure ... Straw Man Oct 2015 #61

See here's the thing EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #65

The thing(s). Straw Man Oct 2015 #68

It's been done EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #70

No, it hasn't. Straw Man Oct 2015 #77

A push was made to ban handguns in the early-mid 70s... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #82

No attempt has ever been made EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #87

Google "National Coalition to Ban Hanguns..." Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #94

forming a coalition EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #111

Well, even I wouldn't equate the anti-gunners with flying pig advocacy.... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #131

You forget we aren't searched when entering NY state. jeff47 Oct 2015 #53

Prohibition banned alcohol from sea to shining sea. Straw Man Oct 2015 #57

Somehow, it works for every other industrialized nation. jeff47 Oct 2015 #62

The picture is far more complex ... Straw Man Oct 2015 #63

I've heard that exact argument used about MJ, against CO. beevul Oct 2015 #135

Fact check dot org safeinOhio Oct 2015 #69

welcome to DU discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #3

thanks... and... EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #4

other than a media campaign about... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #7

wellll.... EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #9

politics is about barter discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #10

the problem there EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #11

and what is it that pro-control is bringing to the table? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #12

welll... EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #14

sure but you would need to PROVE that your law would absolutely improve... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #16

ehhh EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #20

one of the issues is the lack of common ground discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #23

Our present laws have cut the murder rate in half hack89 Oct 2015 #35

no EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #51

So isn't the solution to a suicide "epidemic " hack89 Oct 2015 #59

one problem discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #64

absolutely not EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #66

But there are no gun control measures short of confiscation hack89 Oct 2015 #67

lol EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #71

You at least admit you have no realistic solution hack89 Oct 2015 #74

Yup, Ireland's always been such a peacful, safe place with no violence to speak of DonP Oct 2015 #75

Theres that ugly word again. beevul Oct 2015 #13

decades of gun control is a stretch EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #15

See the national firearms act of 1934, do the math, and get back to me. beevul Oct 2015 #18

no EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #72

I hate to point out the obvious... beevul Oct 2015 #83

Well... EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #86

You recognize some of the obvious politics, branford Oct 2015 #95

of course not EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #108

You've proven my point. branford Oct 2015 #118

as you say EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #121

Do you wonder why gun rights are expanding? branford Oct 2015 #139

there's the catch 22 EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #142

Define "and it wil be painful" sarisataka Oct 2015 #146

except your predictions on demographic shifts are assumptions gejohnston Oct 2015 #147

So, at least we've implicitly established that you really have no intention branford Oct 2015 #148

except EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #149

except not gejohnston Oct 2015 #152

Excuse me? branford Oct 2015 #153

So your examples are EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #154

Ah, nothing is as heart warming as a child's simple faith. DonP Oct 2015 #155

Another echo discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #126

Interesting. beevul Oct 2015 #97

10K kids injured and 3000 dead by guns a year EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #123

Yeah, like I said. Brady sycophant. beevul Oct 2015 #134

you need to read more carefully EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #143

but they are not children gejohnston Oct 2015 #144

The operative word, I believe, was 'children'. beevul Oct 2015 #145

riiiiight EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #150

So far, you're following the typical brady bunch script. beevul Oct 2015 #151

Most Americans don't like bartering with our rights yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #26

How about life liberty and the persuit of happyness are those rights? upaloopa Oct 2015 #129

All these good things are mentioned nowhere in the Constitution friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #140

there is a meme for that gejohnston Oct 2015 #17

the thing is EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #21

no they haven't gejohnston Oct 2015 #24

Excellent post..n/t Kang Colby Oct 2015 #30

sigh EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #44

Crickets..... safeinOhio Oct 2015 #48

Crickets? No. gejohnston Oct 2015 #90

Your WaPo articles speaks to gun violence, not violence as a whole as GE was speaking. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #54

Ive never said anything about house to house searches. safeinOhio Oct 2015 #92

Coincidentally, my post was not in response to any of your posts. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #96

the memes were a valid point gejohnston Oct 2015 #89

Would registration of handguns safeinOhio Oct 2015 #5

I suppose registration might be okay but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #6

good to see you discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #8

Welcome. I will respond when I have time to consider your questions thoroughly... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #19

ha! EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #22

Maybe and no. ileus Oct 2015 #25

I would restrict concealed carry permits to trained professionals with a demonstrated need. Maedhros Oct 2015 #27

Like it does in Vermont or Maine? n/t Kang Colby Oct 2015 #28

I'm not familiar with those states' concealed weapon laws. Maedhros Oct 2015 #31

In Maine and Vermont... Kang Colby Oct 2015 #32

Correlation is not causation. Maedhros Oct 2015 #33

I wasn't suggesting that it was. I was simply pointing out that a carrying populace does not Kang Colby Oct 2015 #34

It's not a phobia - it's a reasonable preference. Maedhros Oct 2015 #37

welll.... EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #41

No, it isn't, is it. Straw Man Oct 2015 #40

no need for utopia EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #42

Oh, the irony ... Straw Man Oct 2015 #45

Compare it however you want EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #49

Why not -- it works for you. Straw Man Oct 2015 #55

birds like warm weather jimmy the one Oct 2015 #52

Jimmy painfully elaborates the obvious. Straw Man Oct 2015 #58

is he or isn't he? jimmy the one Oct 2015 #73

Once more, Jimmy. Straw Man Oct 2015 #76

hypothesis defined for ray bolger's buddy jimmy the one Oct 2015 #78

Double duh. Straw Man Oct 2015 #79

I think, therefore I believe jimmy the one Oct 2015 #81

Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy ... Straw Man Oct 2015 #84

think again, my irrefutable rebuttal jimmy the one Oct 2015 #124

Stop letting dictionaries do your thinking for you. Straw Man Oct 2015 #137

arguing the absurd again he is jimmy the one Oct 2015 #156

So ... Straw Man Oct 2015 #157

absurdum ad infinitum jimmy the one Oct 2015 #158

Belief. Straw Man Oct 2015 #159

"Too bad no one but the two of us is reading it." Incorrect, unfortunately for the Stuart heir friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #160

A favor, if you would... sarisataka Oct 2015 #85

Why do controllers only care about "gun violence"? Kang Colby Oct 2015 #29

How do you figure EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #38

Yes. And ... Straw Man Oct 2015 #46

There are many ingredients. deathrind Oct 2015 #36

Very true EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #39

I currently "live with" tens of thousands of alcohol-related deaths a year... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #80

in fact EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #88

This kind of data we have all heard and argued many times... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #91

there is no evidence to support gejohnston Oct 2015 #93

3 polls say gun ownership rates have fallen since '93 jimmy the one Oct 2015 #125

actually, only GSS actually says that gejohnston Oct 2015 #128

abracadabra, and he thinks he wins jimmy the one Oct 2015 #136

Allow me to reframe your question: guillaumeb Oct 2015 #98

Their restrictions were not common sense gejohnston Oct 2015 #99

Define "common sense" in a way that does not posit certain guillaumeb Oct 2015 #100

fact is, there have been mass shootings, as my link documented gejohnston Oct 2015 #101

I should have said that there are no mass killings in other countries like in the US. guillaumeb Oct 2015 #104

entirely different cultures gejohnston Oct 2015 #106

I cannot speak for Australians, but in my view, the difference guillaumeb Oct 2015 #107

the firearms death includes suicides gejohnston Oct 2015 #110

Can we agree to disagree without being disagreeable? guillaumeb Oct 2015 #112

This message was self-deleted by its author gejohnston Oct 2015 #113

well EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #109

Agreed. Killing will continue no matter the weapon employed. guillaumeb Oct 2015 #114

21K are suicides gejohnston Oct 2015 #115

FBI says that 20k are suicide. guillaumeb Oct 2015 #116

Suicide in general gejohnston Oct 2015 #117

When I do suicide assessments gwheezie Oct 2015 #132

Gun control will not do much to save lives, that being said... Kalidurga Oct 2015 #102

I agree with some of what you are talking about gejohnston Oct 2015 #103

I don't know about the percent of stolen guns either. Kalidurga Oct 2015 #105

The only questions that I'm interested in addressing are: pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #119

and what would you propose EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #120

they don't increase gejohnston Oct 2015 #122

I would propose that a good start would be for folks like you pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #138

Let's see two threads today about people getting shot by reckless concealed carry upaloopa Oct 2015 #127

define vigilante shooter gejohnston Oct 2015 #130

you know what I mean upaloopa Oct 2015 #133

Not really, as you've been rather vague friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #141