Gun Control & RKBA

sarisataka

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38. My question is

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 06:01 PM

Oct 2015

What is a right?

Whether or not we agree with a right, does it cease to exist if it is not codified?

Using the 5th as an example- if repealed would the government be justified in forcing you to testify even if it is incriminating? I would say no because we have a natural right to remain silent in the face of accusations. To compel testimony would be an abrogation of that right regardless of 5th Amendment guarantee.

If I understand you, it would be acceptable to compel testimony without explicit protection.

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Want a gun? Take a bullet: [View all] sarisataka Oct 2015 OP

I've been shot librarylu Oct 2015 #1

I was shot down twice in Vietnam, GGJohn Oct 2015 #6

I was shot by a Nam vet librarylu Oct 2015 #14

I hope that no one melm00se Oct 2015 #15

Such as freedom of speech? librarylu Oct 2015 #17

rights are rights melm00se Oct 2015 #18

No, a right is a legal category that can be added, removed, or modified MillennialDem Oct 2015 #31

Do you believe we have any rights sarisataka Oct 2015 #32

Again, not understanding me. is there a process to remove the first MillennialDem Oct 2015 #34

My question is sarisataka Oct 2015 #38

No, because I'm not in favor of repealing the 5th amendment. Moreover -I think the 2nd amendment is MillennialDem Oct 2015 #45

sarisataka melm00se Oct 2015 #33

of course people should have rights. its just a matter of what should and MillennialDem Oct 2015 #36

the same place other rights do gejohnston Oct 2015 #39

I'm aware the BoR is a set of negative rights. I'm just wondering why you think the right to MillennialDem Oct 2015 #44

the right of self defense gejohnston Oct 2015 #48

It's not a false dichotomy. It's about likely vs unlikely. In a society with no (or few) legal guns MillennialDem Oct 2015 #49

who ever fed you that line of shit gejohnston Oct 2015 #56

Apples to oranges comparisons and anecdotes. Face it, compared to most of the developed MillennialDem Oct 2015 #58

If you go by GINI index, it is. gejohnston Oct 2015 #62

Gini index isn't a valid comparison imo, I'd say median income and median net worth are better MillennialDem Oct 2015 #64

in your opinion gejohnston Oct 2015 #69

The right to keep and bear arms melm00se Oct 2015 #40

I don't think guns are about self defense though - I think they're more about self MillennialDem Oct 2015 #46

No one is forcing you to own a gun, the decision on whether to possess or carry firearms branford Oct 2015 #53

Stop with the "don't even bother trying to get rid of the 2nd amendment" nonsense. Gay marriage was MillennialDem Oct 2015 #54

sorry, you don't have the right to gejohnston Oct 2015 #57

Those are not scientific studies because they are not falsifiable. Produce a falsifiable study if MillennialDem Oct 2015 #60

actually, they are scientific gejohnston Oct 2015 #66

Peer reviewed does not mean the same thing as scientific (most importantly, falsifiable) MillennialDem Oct 2015 #67

Feel free to try to repeal the Second Amendment. branford Oct 2015 #72

I'm quite aware it's a heavy lift to change the constitution. I'm also a fan of moderate MillennialDem Oct 2015 #75

No, a good liberal or progressive cares deeply about everyone, branford Oct 2015 #78

you are free to do what you want gejohnston Oct 2015 #59

Don't force your increased risk of me being killed or wounded on me. MillennialDem Oct 2015 #61

there is no increased risk gejohnston Oct 2015 #63

LOL - interesting, given that I have no fucking clue what study you think I'm getting my MillennialDem Oct 2015 #65

then you are not even remotely informed on a gejohnston Oct 2015 #68

Wounding is even worse for your position, because just as people are MillennialDem Oct 2015 #70

not relevant gejohnston Oct 2015 #71

Le sigh MillennialDem Oct 2015 #73

and you are for taking away peoples rights based on that? gejohnston Oct 2015 #74

Like I said, I don't think ownership of a gun is a natural right. MillennialDem Oct 2015 #76

and I do, I am also philosophically against gejohnston Oct 2015 #82

Guns aren't natural. librarylu Oct 2015 #100

Well, then it's a good thing we don't only have a right to keep and bear "guns." branford Oct 2015 #103

You simply are choosing to conveniently ignore every incident of a defensive firearm use branford Oct 2015 #77

Armed vs Armed // unarmed vs unarmed melm00se Oct 2015 #81

The Bill of Rights is not Holy Writ librarylu Oct 2015 #41

"I would like the right to go to Walmart and not see a gun counter..." beevul Oct 2015 #86

There was a time librarylu Oct 2015 #89

they stopped selling them because gejohnston Oct 2015 #91

The Walmart near me librarylu Oct 2015 #93

not at all, gejohnston Oct 2015 #94

Neither would I librarylu Oct 2015 #95

they have what, a couple of gejohnston Oct 2015 #96

I haven't looked lately librarylu Oct 2015 #98

I don't think they sell handguns gejohnston Oct 2015 #99

I hope it is unusual. librarylu Oct 2015 #101

Yes, we are well aware that PTSD and alcohol problems edgineered Oct 2015 #19

I'm on a shared well librarylu Oct 2015 #42

I spent three enlistments willing to take a bullet. And you? edgineered Oct 2015 #2

Why don't we just make them weigh 375 pounds? Not very many people will be totin' them around. BlueJazz Oct 2015 #3

sure gejohnston Oct 2015 #97

Want to buy a car? Get in a 60 mph crash Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #4

You know, the NRA is not sounding very extreme anymore...nt virginia mountainman Oct 2015 #5

And people wonder why we cant have a civil conversation Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #8

And what about chain saws? appal_jack Oct 2015 #25

This has got to be the most dumbass article ever. GGJohn Oct 2015 #7

Had this post been in the Humor group it would be pinned. nt edgineered Oct 2015 #9

been shot, lucked out 2 stitches w0nderer Oct 2015 #10

Possibly the most moronic (and nasty) article I have ever read on "gun control"....... pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #11

probably looking for a spot on bloomies mommie board. ileus Oct 2015 #13

There it is. NT pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #37

The anti's sure a violent bunch, kinda goes along with the authoritarian way of life ileus Oct 2015 #12

Want a swimming pool? Drown one of your kids in it. dairydog91 Oct 2015 #16

Yes, there are some people in Salon who shouldn't have guns. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #20

Breathtakingly moronic, even for Salon. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #21

Well, that's gross and extreme. Brickbat Oct 2015 #22

Seems reasonable SecularMotion Oct 2015 #23

Do they also sarisataka Oct 2015 #26

Yes SecularMotion Oct 2015 #27

Note it is not titled sarisataka Oct 2015 #28

Been shot at a lot oneshooter Oct 2015 #24

Salon just jumped the shark. Straw Man Oct 2015 #29

If you're going to jump a shark you should be eaten by one first. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #80

Touché. Straw Man Oct 2015 #84

Let's explore D Watkins credentials Silicosys4 Oct 2015 #30

He graduated from Johns Hopkins librarylu Oct 2015 #50

[[[[ gejohnston Oct 2015 #35

That is impressive sarisataka Oct 2015 #43

Good article librarylu Oct 2015 #47

"We have an epidemic." pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #51

? librarylu Oct 2015 #52

"Tell it to the victims." pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #55

Color me compassionate librarylu Oct 2015 #79

If you're compassionate why do you want to criminalize people who are not a threat? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #83

Who said anything about criminalizing anyone? librarylu Oct 2015 #87

There is no gunshow loophole. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #88

There isn't? librarylu Oct 2015 #90

Most of the gun sellers gejohnston Oct 2015 #92

If there's no loophole librarylu Oct 2015 #102

Political grandstanding gejohnston Oct 2015 #105

The gun show is immaterial; it's private sales which you cannot track without registration. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #104

I'm not even concerned about crime. librarylu Oct 2015 #106

"I'm concerned about accidents, domestic violence, kids shooting kids (or parents), school shootings Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #107

Prepared how? librarylu Oct 2015 #108

Sometimes cooperation is not an option. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #109

Watkins might make a good journalist... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #85