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In reply to the discussion: Guns as a deterent [View all]

krispos42

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23. Well, you have to figure that in high-crime areas
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 02:06 PM
Oct 2015

which tend to be in big cities with strict gun-control laws and little if any CCW permits, a lot of them aren't reported.

For example, Adam lives in a crime-ridden neighborhood and carries a pistol with them when he goes out to work. He's not a career criminal and his job is legitimate, but he illegally carries a gun because he's afraid of crime. If he deploys the gun in self-defense (anything from a casual exposure of a holstered gun to drawing and aiming), he's not probably not going to call the cops because he doesn't want to be arrested. So when he uses the gun for self-defense, unless and until he has to actually shoot somebody, his uses will go unreported to the police.

Barry also lives in a crime-ridden neighborhood. He's a career criminal, fencing stolen merchandise and dealing drugs. He also routinely carries a pistol, both for intimidation purposes and for defensive ones. Focusing on the defensive here, Barry, like Adam, is not going to call the police if he (Barry) has to use the gun in self-defense. The self-defense might be different from avoiding muggers, as Barry is conducting business with other career criminals on a regular basis whereas Adam is just trying to dodge muggers and rapists and such. But it's still self-defense.


Then you have the case of people like Charlie, who is woken up by the proverbial "bump in the night". Charlie grabs a gun and a flashlight and goes poking around downstairs, trying to figure out if it was the cat, the house settling, or somebody trying to break into his home. He doesn't find anybody and goes back to sleep, but if somebody asked him if he ever used a gun in self-defense, he would say "yes".


So, given we have over about 100 million gun owners, and a year is 365 days long, I can see that in any given 24-hour period there are 5-6,000 times where a person grabbed a gun in anticipation of needing it.



The vast difference between "self-defense homicides" (400) and "reported defensive gun uses" (1,000,000 to 2,000,000) tells me that nearly every time a gun is grabbed for self-defense, it's a false alarm (nothing there after all), or the criminal flees at the sight of the gun.

Guns as a deterent [View all] Turbineguy Oct 2015 OP
Guns don't deter crime - Jobs with living wages deter crime tk2kewl Oct 2015 #1
+1 daleanime Oct 2015 #3
education too tk2kewl Oct 2015 #4
A more accurate assessment: Guns deter or protect one from attacks... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #11
really? tk2kewl Oct 2015 #12
USA has 320,000,000 civilian arms. Homicide rates keep going down. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #16
Nope. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #20
It's simple, if they want to include all the fantasy of 'deterred' crime.... daleanime Oct 2015 #2
Fantasy and fear mikeysnot Oct 2015 #5
you'll get dueling banjos jimmy the one Oct 2015 #6
Thanks. Turbineguy Oct 2015 #7
Here, mate. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #13
I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss Dr. Gary Kleck. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #21
The CDC considered sarisataka Oct 2015 #8
Myth of Specific Cause Bias Turbineguy Oct 2015 #9
Here's the CDC sponsored study. branford Oct 2015 #14
It's probably propaganda. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #10
By an excutive order Obama gave the CDC ten million dollars to do a report on gun violence. ... spin Oct 2015 #15
Spin, you have always been very open minded and sane on this topic. Thanks for the post. nt Logical Oct 2015 #17
Thanks for your support. (n/t) spin Oct 2015 #22
That is 7,000 DGU a day? I say BS on that. I think many gun fans love bragging about it to justify.. Logical Oct 2015 #18
After getting my pee-pee wacked on a few threads I've come up Turbineguy Oct 2015 #19
Well, you have to figure that in high-crime areas krispos42 Oct 2015 #23
Oh, and I guess self-defense would include defense against animals. krispos42 Oct 2015 #24
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