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Eleanors38

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16. USA has 320,000,000 civilian arms. Homicide rates keep going down.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:12 PM
Oct 2015

(In the 1990s, firearms in civilian hands was estimated to be 190,000,000.)

The phenomenon of dropping gun-related homicides over the last 20+ years has been well-documented in this country. Some years back, it prompted two economists to write a book about the subject called "Freakonomics."

In 1969, the gun homicide number was over 18,000. That number has dropped to around 11,000. Yet both the number of guns AND the population have both increased making the lower murder rate even more striking. Some pro-2A advocates have claimed that increased concealed carry numbers (a subset of the over all armed population) have caused that murder rate to drop (John Lott is the most prominent of these people). I don't buy that, not because it is not true, but because the causative relationship is not convincing. Carrying guns is a personal self-defense choice, and any benefits to crime reduction remain to be proven.

The phenomenon of dropping homicide rates over the last two decades seems to be shared by most Western countries, including Australia. Everybody has their pet beliefs and ideologies when explaining the respective drops.

Guns as a deterent [View all] Turbineguy Oct 2015 OP
Guns don't deter crime - Jobs with living wages deter crime tk2kewl Oct 2015 #1
+1 daleanime Oct 2015 #3
education too tk2kewl Oct 2015 #4
A more accurate assessment: Guns deter or protect one from attacks... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #11
really? tk2kewl Oct 2015 #12
USA has 320,000,000 civilian arms. Homicide rates keep going down. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #16
Nope. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #20
It's simple, if they want to include all the fantasy of 'deterred' crime.... daleanime Oct 2015 #2
Fantasy and fear mikeysnot Oct 2015 #5
you'll get dueling banjos jimmy the one Oct 2015 #6
Thanks. Turbineguy Oct 2015 #7
Here, mate. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #13
I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss Dr. Gary Kleck. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #21
The CDC considered sarisataka Oct 2015 #8
Myth of Specific Cause Bias Turbineguy Oct 2015 #9
Here's the CDC sponsored study. branford Oct 2015 #14
It's probably propaganda. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #10
By an excutive order Obama gave the CDC ten million dollars to do a report on gun violence. ... spin Oct 2015 #15
Spin, you have always been very open minded and sane on this topic. Thanks for the post. nt Logical Oct 2015 #17
Thanks for your support. (n/t) spin Oct 2015 #22
That is 7,000 DGU a day? I say BS on that. I think many gun fans love bragging about it to justify.. Logical Oct 2015 #18
After getting my pee-pee wacked on a few threads I've come up Turbineguy Oct 2015 #19
Well, you have to figure that in high-crime areas krispos42 Oct 2015 #23
Oh, and I guess self-defense would include defense against animals. krispos42 Oct 2015 #24
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