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spin

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15. By an excutive order Obama gave the CDC ten million dollars to do a report on gun violence. ...
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 08:05 PM
Oct 2015

You rarely hear about it as the results were not what Obama expected.

From the report on the subject of the defensive use of guns by crime victims...

Defensive Use of Guns

Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010). On the other hand, some scholars point to a radically lower estimate of only 108,000 annual defensive uses based on the National Crime Victimization Survey (Cook et al., 1997). The variation in these numbers remains a controversy in the field. The estimate of 3 million defensive uses per year is based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys. The former estimate of 108,000 is difficult to interpret because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use.

A different issue is whether defensive uses of guns, however numerous or rare they may be, are effective in preventing injury to the gun-wielding crime victim. Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was “used” by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies (Kleck, 1988; Kleck and DeLone, 1993; Southwick, 2000; Tark and Kleck, 2004). Effectiveness of defensive tactics, however, is likely to vary across types of victims, types of offenders, and circumstances of the crime, so further research is needed both to explore these contingencies and to confirm or discount earlier findings.

Even when defensive use of guns is effective in averting death or injury for the gun user in cases of crime, it is still possible that keeping a gun in the home or carrying a gun in public—concealed or open carry—may have a different net effect on the rate of injury. For example, if gun ownership raises the risk of suicide, homicide, or the use of weapons by those who invade the homes of gun owners, this could cancel or outweigh the beneficial effects of defensive gun use (Kellermann et al., 1992, 1993, 1995). Although some early studies were published that relate to this issue, they were not conclusive, and this is a sufficiently important question that it merits additional, careful exploration.
http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3#16


This is probably the most up to date report available and is quite interesting to study. It impresses me as fair and unbiased. Obviously more peer reviewed research needs to be done on the subject of gun violence but it must be totally fair to both sides of the debate. I feel both sides have valid points to make and in order to make intelligent decisions we need to hear them.

You can view the entire report at:
http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1
Guns as a deterent [View all] Turbineguy Oct 2015 OP
Guns don't deter crime - Jobs with living wages deter crime tk2kewl Oct 2015 #1
+1 daleanime Oct 2015 #3
education too tk2kewl Oct 2015 #4
A more accurate assessment: Guns deter or protect one from attacks... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #11
really? tk2kewl Oct 2015 #12
USA has 320,000,000 civilian arms. Homicide rates keep going down. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #16
Nope. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #20
It's simple, if they want to include all the fantasy of 'deterred' crime.... daleanime Oct 2015 #2
Fantasy and fear mikeysnot Oct 2015 #5
you'll get dueling banjos jimmy the one Oct 2015 #6
Thanks. Turbineguy Oct 2015 #7
Here, mate. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #13
I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss Dr. Gary Kleck. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #21
The CDC considered sarisataka Oct 2015 #8
Myth of Specific Cause Bias Turbineguy Oct 2015 #9
Here's the CDC sponsored study. branford Oct 2015 #14
It's probably propaganda. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #10
By an excutive order Obama gave the CDC ten million dollars to do a report on gun violence. ... spin Oct 2015 #15
Spin, you have always been very open minded and sane on this topic. Thanks for the post. nt Logical Oct 2015 #17
Thanks for your support. (n/t) spin Oct 2015 #22
That is 7,000 DGU a day? I say BS on that. I think many gun fans love bragging about it to justify.. Logical Oct 2015 #18
After getting my pee-pee wacked on a few threads I've come up Turbineguy Oct 2015 #19
Well, you have to figure that in high-crime areas krispos42 Oct 2015 #23
Oh, and I guess self-defense would include defense against animals. krispos42 Oct 2015 #24
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