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Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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3. however, the writer fails to cite the

Reply to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 08:01 PM

Oct 2015

many studies, done by criminologists, who found that there are hundreds of thousands of defensive gun uses each year.
Also, public health studies are rarely valid.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgaga.html
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp#crime

It isn't the math, it is the input data. You can create a model to come to any conclusion you want, all you have to do is be selective in the input data.

For example, the Kellerman study, that these are based on, picked a few home invasions where the victims were shot in Philadelphia. He never confirmed if the gun was brought in from the outside or not.
There are about 100 million legal gun owners, up to a million defensive gun uses per year, very few resulting in deaths.
http://www.guncite.com/kleckjama01.html
http://www.guncite.com/journals/tennmed.html

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Buying a gun for protection is usually for the mathmatically challenged [View all] Quixote1818 Oct 2015 OP

Given the astronomical amounts that are wagered each year, guillaumeb Oct 2015 #1

Owned by frightened citizens? GGJohn Oct 2015 #6

I did not say every gun owner. guillaumeb Oct 2015 #7

Maybe he just read your comment here and extrapolated from that. stone space Oct 2015 #20

If you are going to use statistics, Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #2

however, the writer fails to cite the gejohnston Oct 2015 #3

K&R libodem Oct 2015 #4

Nonsense. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #5

And what of the studies that show that households with guns guillaumeb Oct 2015 #8

you mean studies that show that there are more gejohnston Oct 2015 #9

First, we should combine these two posts and save time. guillaumeb Oct 2015 #10

So "eliminating the object" is your goal? virginia mountainman Oct 2015 #11

It's never about saving lives, y'notice that? It's always a gun-boner. Like they have a fetish... nt Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #12

My goal, and it should be the goal of everybody, guillaumeb Oct 2015 #13

That is my goal as well.. virginia mountainman Oct 2015 #14

The obvious follow up question is: guillaumeb Oct 2015 #15

out of the 30K gejohnston Oct 2015 #18

From the CDC guillaumeb Oct 2015 #29

I used last years FBI figures gejohnston Oct 2015 #31

Understood on the numbers. Agreed on "progress". guillaumeb Oct 2015 #32

So anything that kills 30,000 people annually is open? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #25

there are two sides of the ledger gejohnston Oct 2015 #17

Simple solution that ignores complexity of overall issue beardown Oct 2015 #24

Your post was thoughtful and not at all insulting. guillaumeb Oct 2015 #30

Yes. beardown Oct 2015 #35

Agreed. And like the DUI example, a nice analogy by the way, guillaumeb Oct 2015 #36

It's complicated, bro. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #16

Please see responses 35 and 36. eom guillaumeb Oct 2015 #37

Odds. Straw Man Oct 2015 #19

Thanks anyway, I trust myself more than your stats. ileus Oct 2015 #21

...Hemenway... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #22

Probability and Stats sure takes the mystery out of gambling beardown Oct 2015 #23

What about gamblers who can count the cards in a shoe? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #26

I didn't read the rest of the post beyond the title.. But really??? darkangel218 Oct 2015 #27

I actually won't trash this thread. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #28

It is an unfortunate that some "liberals" use a presumed intellectual prowess... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #33

Yes. I've always found it strange ... Straw Man Oct 2015 #34