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jimmy the one

(2,717 posts)
38. snopes fact check on assam
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 02:45 PM
Oct 2015

beevul: Did you really think I would just let that bald faced lie go without shining a spotlight on it? Behold:

Readers, behold a charlatan above, taking my sentence out of context. If anyone interested, reread my post 28 to see thru beevul's faulty argument.
As to beevul's insidious wiggling, snopes rates this 'partly' true, which also means partly not true, and it doesn't bode well for poor beevul, not well at all. Snopes reveals info beevul was either unaware of or didn't want to post. I was unaware of some of this as well, or I certainly would've posted it sooner. Assam claims to have been a police officer at the time of her shooting, and, she had been alerted by the previous attack at arvada. Sure, she was an armed member of the congregation, a trained cop acting as a security guard:

SNOPES: FACT CHECK - PARTLY TRUE: ... Was a Colorado church shooting stopped by an armed member of the congregation?
According to the meme, a woman named Jeanne Assam was in attendance during a similar armed attack on a church but was able to shoot and wound the assailant, halting the attack.
The attack ultimately stopped by Assam occurred in two phases in Colorado on 9 Dec 2007, starting at the Youth with a Mission (YWAM) training center in Arvada. At that location, shooter Matthew Murray killed two churchgoers and wounded two more before fleeing to the New Life Church in Colorado Springs.
At the second location, Murray killed two more victims and wounded three others before Jeanne Assam, who was present at the church service taking place there, fired at Murray and struck him several times, ending his assault.

Jeanne Assam wasn’t quite a random churchgoer who just happened to show up at the service fortuitously carrying a weapon that day, however: she was a former police officer and volunteer church security guard who was aware of the earlier attack at the Youth with a Mission training center, had suggested that the New Life Church add extra security, and was armed as part of the church’s security team that day for that very reason:
Assam worked as a police officer in downtown Minneapolis during the 1990s and is licensed to carry a weapon. She attends one of the morning services and then volunteers as a guard during another service.

[New Life’s Senior Pastor Brady] Boyd said Assam was the one who suggested the church beef up its security Sunday following the Arvada shooting, which it did. The pastor credited the security plan and the extra security for preventing further bloodshed.
Boyd said there are 15 to 20 security people at the church. All are volunteers but the only ones armed are those who are licensed to carry weapons.
A number of news accounts of the incident described Assam as a “former” police officer and reported that Matthew Murray’s fatal wound was self-inflicted. However, Jeanne Assam maintained to us that she was still a member of the police force at the time of the church shooting and that was the one who killed Murray:

This message is regarding a post about me. It has a picture of me and words to the effect that I was just some random woman at New Life church when a gunman entered. The fact is that I am and was a police officer at the time of the shooting. I was part of the volunteer security team that day at the church.

Outside in the parking lot, Murray shot 5 more people, killing 2 and wounding 3 others before I engaged and killed him inside the church, shooting and striking him 10 times. I engaged and killed the gunman. I was 5 feet from him when I had to fire the last of 10 accurate rounds. He did not kill himself and I am the one who got his blood all over my clothes from arterial spray. Trust me, if he killed himself, I would have both seen and heard it. He didn’t.
Please post the TRUTH regarding my incident. That post floating around about me is completely FALSE.

While Assam was initially hailed as a hero for minimizing loss of life during the shooting at great personal risk, she later said she was asked to leave New Life Church because of her sexuality (although the church disputed the claim).
Last updated: 17 Sep 2015 http://m.snopes.com/jeanne-assam/#V5AylQuJdi7ad8cU.99

The campus is NOT gun free. SheilaT Oct 2015 #1
actually, they do have a gun free policy gejohnston Oct 2015 #2
Those numbers are highly suspect. SheilaT Oct 2015 #3
suspect? gejohnston Oct 2015 #4
wrong again batman jimmy the one Oct 2015 #19
nope, I'm right as always gejohnston Oct 2015 #23
mr ego says he's always right jimmy the one Oct 2015 #24
is your foot sore? jimmy the one Oct 2015 #25
you clearly missed the point gejohnston Oct 2015 #26
provide link jimmy the one Oct 2015 #29
Watts said a lot of things wrong in the clip gejohnston Oct 2015 #30
no support from your link to what you say jimmy the one Oct 2015 #31
Pfft. New life is just an example. beevul Oct 2015 #34
I can think of a couple examples gejohnston Oct 2015 #35
year of the rat jimmy the one Oct 2015 #36
I proved that she is a gejohnston Oct 2015 #37
3rd request to j man jimmy the one Oct 2015 #40
It was a video, not a tweet- but she still said it *and you know it, as you replied to it*: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #42
Also, Shannon Watts is demonstrated liar and a poor excuse for a Democrat... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #43
Big fan of GMO foods at Monsanto too. DonP Oct 2015 #44
OK, now PROVE IT jimmy the one Oct 2015 #48
Glad you asked, here's several: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #50
Massive Iconic Fail jimmy the one Oct 2015 #52
I believe my examples met your criteria. Whether *you* agree or disagree is not my concern n/t friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #54
I don't report and alert gejohnston Oct 2015 #45
4th request jimmy the one Oct 2015 #49
Shannon Watts is a proven liar and a piss-poor excuse for a Democrat friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #51
10:04 in the video. You're wrong. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #55
Another one jumps in the briar patch jimmy the one Oct 2015 #59
You, and Shannon Watts, are still wrong, and she's still a liar. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #62
not applicable jimmy the one Oct 2015 #64
You're asking for proof of a logical fallacy. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #65
prevented is not stopped jimmy the one Oct 2015 #67
Don't take the shouting and handwaving too much to heart- we're dealing with a version of these: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #61
See, I don't think Jimmy's really a flat earther. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #63
a fake faking it jimmy the one Oct 2015 #68
shannon tweet jimmy the one Oct 2015 #69
sure gejohnston Oct 2015 #56
Pot, stop calling the kettle black. beevul Oct 2015 #33
It's the same reason kudzu22 Oct 2015 #5
Respectfully, carrying a weapon is for self-defense, not strategic law enforcement... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #8
"What we never get..." beevul Oct 2015 #14
former cop, working as security guard jimmy the one Oct 2015 #18
I think youre having some troubles. beevul Oct 2015 #20
go away jimmy the one Oct 2015 #21
Volunteer security... Wouldn't want you to miss that detail. beevul Oct 2015 #22
poor you jimmy the one Oct 2015 #28
Oh, I'm sorry, beevul Oct 2015 #32
snopes fact check on assam jimmy the one Oct 2015 #38
more truth about jeanne assam jimmy the one Oct 2015 #39
I'm still sorry. beevul Oct 2015 #41
trip down memory lane for bull weasels jimmy the one Oct 2015 #53
There isn't much there to rebut. beevul Oct 2015 #57
I believe one of gejohnston's graphics best describes the situation: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #58
wrong again batman beevul jimmy the one Oct 2015 #60
Wrong about what? beevul Oct 2015 #66
wrong about a lot jimmy the one Oct 2015 #70
Firearms don't have guided bullets....line of sight only. ileus Oct 2015 #11
Most "gun free zone" policies have no force of law. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #6
That should be changed. No reason to coddle terrorists on university campuses. stone space Oct 2015 #9
back to you old self I see Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #10
As usual, I see you are still missing the target. Lurks Often Oct 2015 #13
This is a lie. stone space Oct 2015 #15
That is exactly what you meant Lurks Often Oct 2015 #17
Ya know stone, GGJohn Oct 2015 #47
So do you believe sarisataka Oct 2015 #16
You said, and I quote: GGJohn Oct 2015 #46
So, a dozen students with guns. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #7
Our hospital is the same way, we have those silly little signs on the doors ileus Oct 2015 #12
for the nra - the shooter killed himself so more arms would have had him bring more weapons patsimp Oct 2015 #27
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