Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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39. to quote ethics blogger Josh Marshall

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 02:42 PM

Oct 2015

The hateful rhetoric focused on the NRA at times like these is unfair, and ignorant. Of course the organization is extreme, because organizations that exist to protect rights must by their nature be vigilant against incremental incursions on the rights they protect. They stake out the extreme defense against extreme opponents of those rights and the citizens they protect. In this the NRA is no different from the NARAL, or the Baseball Players Association, or the Sierra Club, NOW, or the ACLU, just as important to the public policy debate, and exactly as worthy of respect.

http://ethicsalarms.com/2015/10/06/who-are-you-calling-a-nut-and-other-ethics-issues-in-the-community-college-shooting-aftermath-continued/

The reason the prohibition lobby is using "safety" instead of "control" is because control doesn't do well with focus groups.

Did you know Michigan has had purchase permits since the 1920s? It was the result of this shooting
http://detroit1701.org/SweetHome.htm

Oh, and it wasn't the NAACP who lobbied for the law. Probably the same people who got them passed in North Carolina a few years earlier.

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Guns. Do they make us safer? The numbers. The facts. [View all] JDPriestly Oct 2015 OP

This has been hashed over for years. Still keeping mine. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #1

Not safer, just able to respond without waiting from 30min - 12 years. ileus Oct 2015 #2

Good for you ... don't particularly care what you or Mother Jones thinks DonP Oct 2015 #3

Please feel free to... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #4

Yes. Make your own decision. These are statistics, and people living in isolated areas JDPriestly Oct 2015 #6

Just to piss off people that want to ban it.... NT virginia mountainman Oct 2015 #5

Any coherent study... deathrind Oct 2015 #7

I own guns for recreation. nt hack89 Oct 2015 #8

You're unhealthy...may I recommend a dietary supplement? ileus Oct 2015 #14

Mother Jones debunked gejohnston Oct 2015 #9

Hmmm, debunked by a gun worship site that louis-t Oct 2015 #10

Also remember, the CDC is banned from doing research about gun deaths. louis-t Oct 2015 #11

Ummm, no, not really - CDC Ban Lifted by President Obama DonP Oct 2015 #12

Mass shootings are declining? louis-t Oct 2015 #15

CDC data collection discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #17

By the way, nice cherry-picking of the report. louis-t Oct 2015 #16

See post #17 and read it slowly this time. DonP Oct 2015 #18

Did you actually read the article associated with the quote? louis-t Oct 2015 #24

the problem with that study was not that the NRA didn't like it gejohnston Oct 2015 #27

So, the solution was to give the NRA louis-t Oct 2015 #28

the ban isn't on research gejohnston Oct 2015 #30

And you are only focusing on parts of the studies that you don't like. louis-t Oct 2015 #31

according to leading criminologists at the time gejohnston Oct 2015 #34

Wait, now the ban is on 'lobbying'? louis-t Oct 2015 #36

the CDC is part of the government gejohnston Oct 2015 #37

Yes. As it SHOULD BE. wanna lobby? Do it on your own tab. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #58

If you're interested, here's an interesting article detailing the issues branford Oct 2015 #35

So you send me another opinion piece? louis-t Oct 2015 #40

So, studies and research you agree with are "facts," branford Oct 2015 #42

You think the NRA will ever "compromise"? louis-t Oct 2015 #46

what are willing to give up in return? gejohnston Oct 2015 #47

All my guns. You? stone space Oct 2015 #53

First, the NRA need not compromise. They're actually almost irrelevant. branford Oct 2015 #48

Define "extraordinarily rare". louis-t Oct 2015 #66

What percentage of the 80-100+ million legal firearm owners branford Oct 2015 #67

Throwing in percentage versus number of mass shootings is diversion. louis-t Oct 2015 #68

Violent crime has been cut by about half in the last few decades, branford Oct 2015 #70

The relative frequency of gun deaths in other countries that permit guns -- Switzerland and JDPriestly Oct 2015 #19

there are an infinite possiblities gejohnston Oct 2015 #22

We need real research on this issue, not just assumptions and unfounded conclusions. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #23

suicides and gangs gejohnston Oct 2015 #25

As long as the NRA is allowed to defeat funding for research louis-t Oct 2015 #29

Good point! JDPriestly Oct 2015 #32

That will never happen. louis-t Oct 2015 #38

to quote ethics blogger Josh Marshall gejohnston Oct 2015 #39

defending nra here, how low can u go jimmy the one Oct 2015 #43

truth bother you Jimmy? gejohnston Oct 2015 #45

alarmed at your ethics jimmy the one Oct 2015 #62

just as I expected gejohnston Oct 2015 #71

gun fly in the ointment jimmy the one Oct 2015 #41

Um no, the CDC gun research ban was not lifted by Obama. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #52

I tried to tell him that already. louis-t Oct 2015 #69

It all depends on the definition of "safer" being used. ManiacJoe Oct 2015 #13

Apparently the statistical evidence is either mixed on that or differently interpreted. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #20

Your inquiry is certainly reasonable, branford Oct 2015 #21

but it does not fit into 140 Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #26

I don't tweet -- I'm a little, too, to use a euphemism, verbal for that. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #33

The difference is going to be largely cultural. ManiacJoe Oct 2015 #44

The majority of car accidents happen within 5 miles of your home. uppityperson Oct 2015 #49

True. I suppose that is where we drive the most often, where we pay the least attention and JDPriestly Oct 2015 #50

A lot of those "Accidents" and about 20k of those suicides are gun deaths. nt SunSeeker Oct 2015 #51

20K gejohnston Oct 2015 #54

21,175 according to the CDC. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #57

I'm sure you can provide a link or are you making things up Lurks Often Oct 2015 #55

Sure. The stats on kids getting shot by accident are revolting. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #56

And that rate has been falling for years: Gun-owners acting responsibly. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #59

Not the accidental and gun suicide death rate. Just crime. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #60

And "crime" has been going down or up? Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #65

Crime is going down as our population ages. nt SunSeeker Oct 2015 #72

CDC 2013 numbers Lurks Often Oct 2015 #61

Says a lot about you that you think 69 young kids needlessly dying each year is "not a lot." SunSeeker Oct 2015 #63

It says a lot about YOU that you define .0019 percent as a lot Lurks Often Oct 2015 #64

Per CDC, 505 of the 130,557 annual accidental deaths are gun deaths. That's .39% SunSeeker Oct 2015 #73

It's .0019 percent of ALL deaths in the United States in 2013 Lurks Often Oct 2015 #74

What is the point of comparing gun deaths to age-related deaths? Everyone dies. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #75

Work on your own logic and stop moving the goal posts Lurks Often Oct 2015 #76

People who want reasonable gun control are not "extremists." SunSeeker Oct 2015 #77

You care so much that you post about Chicago, Newark & DC a lot, oh wait, you don't. Lurks Often Oct 2015 #78

Americans do support gun control, it's our NRA fearing politicians that don't. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #79

You can't have it both ways Lurks Often Oct 2015 #80

It isn't the NRA's GOTV, it is the NRA's money spreading lies about Dem candidates. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #81

If it makes you feel better to think that then go ahead Lurks Often Oct 2015 #82

No, guns are inanimate... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #83