Gun Control & RKBA

louis-t

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15. Mass shootings are declining?

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 02:58 PM

Oct 2015

I question statistics from years the CDC, or anyone for that matter, were not allowed to collect information. Also, eliminated from the mix are any situation where less than 4 people were killed by one person. So, 3 victims is not a mass murder?

6. is quite interesting. The conclusion that "Stolen guns and retail/gun show purchases account for very little crime" is a little confusing. Noting that "70% of guns used" coming from sources they name doesn't seem to take into account that any of those sources could provide stolen guns. "No, I didn't steal the gun I used in the crime" doesn't mean that the gun used wasn't stolen by "family or friends, drug dealers, street purchases, or the underground market.” It seems to me the last 3 in the list would more than likely have stolen weapons to sell. How many guns are reported stolen every year?

I would question the 'survey' of people who have been asked "Have you ever used your gun to defend yourself?" "Yeah, I heard a noise outside and grabbed my gun. I went out and waved the gun around but didn't see anyone." If that is included as a "defensive gun use", the survey is useless. I'm sure that kind of thing does happen 3 million times a year. And I doubt every case of "some guy threatened me so I pulled out my gun" is as innocent as the storyteller claims.

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Guns. Do they make us safer? The numbers. The facts. [View all] JDPriestly Oct 2015 OP

This has been hashed over for years. Still keeping mine. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #1

Not safer, just able to respond without waiting from 30min - 12 years. ileus Oct 2015 #2

Good for you ... don't particularly care what you or Mother Jones thinks DonP Oct 2015 #3

Please feel free to... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #4

Yes. Make your own decision. These are statistics, and people living in isolated areas JDPriestly Oct 2015 #6

Just to piss off people that want to ban it.... NT virginia mountainman Oct 2015 #5

Any coherent study... deathrind Oct 2015 #7

I own guns for recreation. nt hack89 Oct 2015 #8

You're unhealthy...may I recommend a dietary supplement? ileus Oct 2015 #14

Mother Jones debunked gejohnston Oct 2015 #9

Hmmm, debunked by a gun worship site that louis-t Oct 2015 #10

Also remember, the CDC is banned from doing research about gun deaths. louis-t Oct 2015 #11

Ummm, no, not really - CDC Ban Lifted by President Obama DonP Oct 2015 #12

Mass shootings are declining? louis-t Oct 2015 #15

CDC data collection discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #17

By the way, nice cherry-picking of the report. louis-t Oct 2015 #16

See post #17 and read it slowly this time. DonP Oct 2015 #18

Did you actually read the article associated with the quote? louis-t Oct 2015 #24

the problem with that study was not that the NRA didn't like it gejohnston Oct 2015 #27

So, the solution was to give the NRA louis-t Oct 2015 #28

the ban isn't on research gejohnston Oct 2015 #30

And you are only focusing on parts of the studies that you don't like. louis-t Oct 2015 #31

according to leading criminologists at the time gejohnston Oct 2015 #34

Wait, now the ban is on 'lobbying'? louis-t Oct 2015 #36

the CDC is part of the government gejohnston Oct 2015 #37

Yes. As it SHOULD BE. wanna lobby? Do it on your own tab. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #58

If you're interested, here's an interesting article detailing the issues branford Oct 2015 #35

So you send me another opinion piece? louis-t Oct 2015 #40

So, studies and research you agree with are "facts," branford Oct 2015 #42

You think the NRA will ever "compromise"? louis-t Oct 2015 #46

what are willing to give up in return? gejohnston Oct 2015 #47

All my guns. You? stone space Oct 2015 #53

First, the NRA need not compromise. They're actually almost irrelevant. branford Oct 2015 #48

Define "extraordinarily rare". louis-t Oct 2015 #66

What percentage of the 80-100+ million legal firearm owners branford Oct 2015 #67

Throwing in percentage versus number of mass shootings is diversion. louis-t Oct 2015 #68

Violent crime has been cut by about half in the last few decades, branford Oct 2015 #70

The relative frequency of gun deaths in other countries that permit guns -- Switzerland and JDPriestly Oct 2015 #19

there are an infinite possiblities gejohnston Oct 2015 #22

We need real research on this issue, not just assumptions and unfounded conclusions. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #23

suicides and gangs gejohnston Oct 2015 #25

As long as the NRA is allowed to defeat funding for research louis-t Oct 2015 #29

Good point! JDPriestly Oct 2015 #32

That will never happen. louis-t Oct 2015 #38

to quote ethics blogger Josh Marshall gejohnston Oct 2015 #39

defending nra here, how low can u go jimmy the one Oct 2015 #43

truth bother you Jimmy? gejohnston Oct 2015 #45

alarmed at your ethics jimmy the one Oct 2015 #62

just as I expected gejohnston Oct 2015 #71

gun fly in the ointment jimmy the one Oct 2015 #41

Um no, the CDC gun research ban was not lifted by Obama. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #52

I tried to tell him that already. louis-t Oct 2015 #69

It all depends on the definition of "safer" being used. ManiacJoe Oct 2015 #13

Apparently the statistical evidence is either mixed on that or differently interpreted. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #20

Your inquiry is certainly reasonable, branford Oct 2015 #21

but it does not fit into 140 Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #26

I don't tweet -- I'm a little, too, to use a euphemism, verbal for that. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #33

The difference is going to be largely cultural. ManiacJoe Oct 2015 #44

The majority of car accidents happen within 5 miles of your home. uppityperson Oct 2015 #49

True. I suppose that is where we drive the most often, where we pay the least attention and JDPriestly Oct 2015 #50

A lot of those "Accidents" and about 20k of those suicides are gun deaths. nt SunSeeker Oct 2015 #51

20K gejohnston Oct 2015 #54

21,175 according to the CDC. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #57

I'm sure you can provide a link or are you making things up Lurks Often Oct 2015 #55

Sure. The stats on kids getting shot by accident are revolting. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #56

And that rate has been falling for years: Gun-owners acting responsibly. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #59

Not the accidental and gun suicide death rate. Just crime. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #60

And "crime" has been going down or up? Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #65

Crime is going down as our population ages. nt SunSeeker Oct 2015 #72

CDC 2013 numbers Lurks Often Oct 2015 #61

Says a lot about you that you think 69 young kids needlessly dying each year is "not a lot." SunSeeker Oct 2015 #63

It says a lot about YOU that you define .0019 percent as a lot Lurks Often Oct 2015 #64

Per CDC, 505 of the 130,557 annual accidental deaths are gun deaths. That's .39% SunSeeker Oct 2015 #73

It's .0019 percent of ALL deaths in the United States in 2013 Lurks Often Oct 2015 #74

What is the point of comparing gun deaths to age-related deaths? Everyone dies. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #75

Work on your own logic and stop moving the goal posts Lurks Often Oct 2015 #76

People who want reasonable gun control are not "extremists." SunSeeker Oct 2015 #77

You care so much that you post about Chicago, Newark & DC a lot, oh wait, you don't. Lurks Often Oct 2015 #78

Americans do support gun control, it's our NRA fearing politicians that don't. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #79

You can't have it both ways Lurks Often Oct 2015 #80

It isn't the NRA's GOTV, it is the NRA's money spreading lies about Dem candidates. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #81

If it makes you feel better to think that then go ahead Lurks Often Oct 2015 #82

No, guns are inanimate... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #83