Gun Control & RKBA

jimmy the one

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40. many roots from a root ball

Sat Sep 19, 2015, 10:21 AM

Sep 2015

jonno: It's very simple, it is not the LAWFUL citizens about whom we need to concentrate our control efforts.

jimmy: No it's not that simple at all.

jonno: "No it's not that simple at all." On this you are exactly correct.

And thus you were at first exactly wrong.

jonno: ...the problem is the mindset of the person who would commit violence. But who wants to try to tackle that one? That's sounds HARD to fix.

Universal background checks would help in that regard. Gun control has only ever seriously & officially believed a marginal improvement would occur over violence rates & the status quo of america's 'guns galore' policy with lax gun laws.

Gun control? Sure let's do that. But in the end you are merely trimming a diseased tree and declaring it well. There is a root problem - and it's not the gun...

Not sure what you say here. Our gun policy is a diseased tree? agree. You support gun control?
There are several roots stemming out of the diseased tree's root ball, & some of them are the various varieties of GUNS.

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District of Columbia [View all] TeddyR Sep 2015 OP

Most early gun "control" laws were created for the explicit purpose of jonno99 Sep 2015 #1

I am all for ONLY Black people having guns. randys1 Sep 2015 #26

That's an explicitly racist statement. Got any other racially based qualifications in mind? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #39

wow just plain wow. clffrdjk Sep 2015 #43

That's an odd statement to make, why is it you only care about the safety and security ileus Sep 2015 #48

"Draconian and unconstitutional"? Sounds like common sense to me. guillaumeb Sep 2015 #2

The constitutional right to keep arms is not unlimited SecularMotion Sep 2015 #3

Your problems are not legal ones hack89 Sep 2015 #5

Which does not mean that any regulation is constitutional. krispos42 Sep 2015 #32

In the real world more guns did not equal more violence hack89 Sep 2015 #4

gun ownership rates declined 1993 - ~2012 jimmy the one Sep 2015 #7

So what is all the fuss about? hack89 Sep 2015 #18

political rulings abound jimmy the one Sep 2015 #6

Excellent points. eom guillaumeb Sep 2015 #11

It seems that somehow you neglected to mention the fact Big_Mike Sep 2015 #46

Selective acceptance of Supreme Court decisions: Not just for county clerks in Kentucky! friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #47

Obviously, Judge Millet is not a real and true Democrat! branford Sep 2015 #55

"What is unreasonable about registering..." Question: should the police stop jonno99 Sep 2015 #8

The problem with your quite reasonable statement, is that criminals do not always announce guillaumeb Sep 2015 #10

"criminals do not always announce themselves." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #14

And do all gun sellers register their sales? guillaumeb Sep 2015 #17

So implement UBCs hack89 Sep 2015 #19

And what is the NRA position on background checks? eom guillaumeb Sep 2015 #21

Beats the shit out of me. hack89 Sep 2015 #22

I looked it up. NRA is opposed. guillaumeb Sep 2015 #24

So? 17 states passed UBCs hack89 Sep 2015 #25

One could be left with the impression -- Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #28

Why does the NRA (and most other gun rights groups) oppose a national gun registry? branford Sep 2015 #30

The problems you may be encountering: Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #41

Do you understand that a criminal cannot be prosecuted for Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #27

A couple of thoughts: jonno99 Sep 2015 #15

Some agreement, and some qualification. guillaumeb Sep 2015 #20

I think it is important to understand the language of "feeling". jonno99 Sep 2015 #29

30,000 gun deaths a year is the equivalent of a Sept 11 every month. guillaumeb Sep 2015 #33

64 percent of which gejohnston Sep 2015 #36

The utopia you seek is not acheivable - not while they are some who are intent on jonno99 Sep 2015 #38

You've just inadvertently gave a resounding defense of policies such as "stop and frisk" branford Sep 2015 #23

Canada repealed the requirement to register almost all long guns. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #31

It was a partial repeal: guillaumeb Sep 2015 #34

Why don't you persuade us of the wisdom, necessity and constitutionality branford Sep 2015 #35

Money, and fear, talk in US politics. guillaumeb Sep 2015 #42

so not a single comment on how you would make your version better than Canada's failure? clffrdjk Sep 2015 #44

I did not say better, I said the same type of legislation. guillaumeb Sep 2015 #49

The actual polling doesn't appear to support your claims for "reasonable" gun control, branford Sep 2015 #45

What is your source for your claim guillaumeb Sep 2015 #50

Time for a vision check discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #51

Approximately 80 - 100 million, not billion. branford Sep 2015 #54

Billion was a mis-type. I blame the computer of course. eom guillaumeb Sep 2015 #57

you post disinformation #2 jimmy the one Sep 2015 #53

Nope. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #37

POC jimmy the one Sep 2015 #12

"No it's not that simple at all." On this you are exactly correct. However, there jonno99 Sep 2015 #16

many roots from a root ball jimmy the one Sep 2015 #40

Until they added the little test, I actually thought reasonable yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #52

was the test concerning gun regulations? guillaumeb Sep 2015 #56

Yes. I still don't like it. yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #58

Would you say the same thing about driving tests? guillaumeb Sep 2015 #59

Well constitutionally you don't have a right to drive yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #60

D.C.'s laws resonate with past Jim (large, raucous black bird) laws in the ol' South. Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #9

JFK said... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #13