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branford

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49. The problem with many Democratic proponents of gun control
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 04:22 PM
Sep 2015

is that they assume (or, more accurately, accuse) anyone who supports broad gun rights as being a RW troll (or "gun humper," "child killer," "ammosexual," ...).

I very glad that you explicitly acknowledge that there's a critical mass of genuine Democrats who support an interpretation of the the Second Amendment consistent with very expansive and liberal personal rights understanding of every other Amendment of the Bill of Rights and rest of the Constitution (including people like myself, a liberal NYC attorney who's never owned a firearm).

The failure to acknowledge the broad range of opinions concerning gun rights within the Democratic Party, and the resulting alienation of a great many Democrats, has been a significant contributing factor in Democratic electoral losses that imperil a broader progressive agenda. People fail to remember that even Bill Clinton acknowledged that his gun control agenda and signature Assault Weapons Ban, which the Obama DOJ found did nothing to prevent gun crime or accidents, cost him his Democratic majority in Congress (and unseated a Democratic Speaker!), very likely lost Al Gore his home state of TN in the presidential election, and the "shellacking" Democrats have recently taken across the South and Midwest, both federally and in state legislatures and governorships, truly speaks for itself.

I would additionally note that the actual Democratic Platform recognizes and individual right to own firearms, and the very strict gun control position of many Democrats on DU departs significantly from our Party standard, often far more than many gun rights proponents on this forum who are rarely, if ever, as absolutist in their positions.

Of course, you or others may believe that the Second Amendment is ludicrous or outdated and our culture supporting gun rights is uncivilized or self-destructive, but the habit of demeaning and dismissing other Democrats who don't share such opinions is not only juvenile and rude, it ultimately supports opponents of our Party and those who fight against more general liberal policies far more than the most vociferous purported "RW, gun rights troll" n DU.

Actually, private gun ownership is not rare gejohnston Sep 2015 #1
You make Switzerland sound just like the US. flamin lib Sep 2015 #2
It is a bigger pain in the ass than most of the states gejohnston Sep 2015 #4
Still peddling that Lott shit, right? flamin lib Sep 2015 #5
Are you back again? oneshooter Sep 2015 #6
Actually, I'm peddling Wright and Rossi. gejohnston Sep 2015 #14
Glad we live in America... ileus Sep 2015 #3
Glad you do too Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #7
Isn't it amazing when common sense comes into play. Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #8
As a non-resisident and not a citizen of the U.S., Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #42
Only you can answer that Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #43
A follow up to the OP flamin lib Sep 2015 #9
Well thanks... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #11
Didn't you swear NEVER to post on this Forum ever again? oneshooter Sep 2015 #13
I admire your ability to converse with these folks. I guess someone has to do it. randys1 Sep 2015 #26
You just have to pick and choose who to respond to. flamin lib Sep 2015 #28
I totally agree Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #44
The problem with many Democratic proponents of gun control branford Sep 2015 #49
"Gun Culture:" A patchwork of sociological & psychological terms meant to disparage... Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #10
This OP is a good point of departure for good discussion... Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #12
The argument that guns are causing all the violence in the US TeddyR Sep 2015 #15
That doesn't make sense. DetlefK Sep 2015 #16
You fixate on the metal and plastic, his post focuses on the people intent on committing crime. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #17
No, this is about his reasoning. DetlefK Sep 2015 #18
That's not how I read it. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #19
"The biggest difference between the US and Switzerland? How they think about guns:" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #20
Eh, the militias right now wouldn't accept joining a well-regulated militia. DetlefK Sep 2015 #21
well regulated in the amendment gejohnston Sep 2015 #22
Uhhhh...in the 18c. the government didn't control militias the way you suggest. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #23
any bonehead allowed in the UM jimmy the one Sep 2015 #24
re: the unorganized militia discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #25
Unorganized militia is a JOKE jimmy the one Sep 2015 #31
"Unorganized militia is a JOKE" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #34
woman up jimmy the one Sep 2015 #35
Okay. Females who are members of the National Guard are the only ones eligible for the Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #36
nuclear yammering jimmy the one Sep 2015 #37
"The sleeping masses" are not a federal statue James; the unorganized militia is. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #38
re: your thoughts above from #31 discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #41
(unorganized) groups of one jimmy the one Sep 2015 #47
Please, render for us... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #48
You're arguing a red herring again, james. beevul Sep 2015 #27
2ndA both a right & a limitation jimmy the one Sep 2015 #33
Negative ghost rider. beevul Sep 2015 #39
Hey, you know very well facts and historical context don't really matter DonP Sep 2015 #40
do you see the 'and' I wonder? jimmy the one Sep 2015 #45
regurgitating a half truth jimmy the one Sep 2015 #46
Says the guy with one eye closed. beevul Sep 2015 #50
"Stop embellishing requirements to join the unorganized MOB" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #30
Unorg'd militia, obsolete JOKE jimmy the one Sep 2015 #32
Concept of being a citizen HassleCat Sep 2015 #29
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