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jimmy the one

(2,717 posts)
47. (unorganized) groups of one
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:13 PM
Sep 2015

dscntnt: Yes it was/is and the unorganized militia is still the militia.

I don't know why I argue against absurd reasoning, but once again the UNORGANIZED militia is not a well regulated militia, and is not what was intended by the 2ndAmendment.
UNORGANIZED, inactive, couch potato, sedentary, ineffective, have all been used to describe the unorganized militia.

dscntnt: They show up in groups of one and join the ranks of the national military all the time.

dscntnt: "They show up in groups of one..". >> Should I really go any further?

dscntnt: Of great value in modern conflict regardless of terrain or theater is the sniper. They are valued for their abilities at precision targeting of personnel and equipment, gathering intel and the ability to improvise and overcome challenges in roles including counterinsurgency and spec ops work. Folks that have these skills predominately acquire them over long periods. Most often they begin shooting as teens and young adults. These are not the kind of abilities one can learn during basic training as a rule... The fact that you fail to recognize this only serves to enhance my opinion of them.

Again with the absurd reasoning. As if your red herrings above have anything to do with a discussion of whether the unorganized militia as an entity is or is not a joke, or is what was intended by the 2nd amendment.

dscntnt: The term in the 2A is "well regulated" which at the time also carried the meaning of effective

Really? and how is the UNORGANIZED Militia 'effective', if it is inactive & unorganized?

Webster's 1828 dictionary:
EFFECT'IVE, a. Having the power to cause or produce; efficacious.
1. Operative; active; having the quality of producing effects.
2. Efficient; causing to be; as an effective cause.
3. Having the power of active operation; able; as effective men in any army; an effective force.


Effective describes almost exactly what the unorganized militia is NOT.

Back then in 1791, 'well regulated' carried the meaning of 'effective'? that meaning would've been an inference I suppose, but I don't see your point, since you obviously try to obscure what 'regulated' meant by definition. Oh wait, obscurity is your point?
Pls point out in Webster's 1828 dictionary, which definition fits 'effective':

REG'ULATE, v.t. 1. To adjust by rule, method or established mode; as, to regulate weights and measures; to regulate the assize of bread; to regulate our moral conduct by the laws of God and of society; to regulate our manners by the customary forms.
2. To put in good order; as, to regulate the disordered state of a nation or its finances.
3. To subject to rules or restrictions; as, to regulate trade; to regulate diet.

REG'ULATED, pp. Adjusted by rule, method or forms; put in good order; subjected to rules or restrictions.
. http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/search/word,organize

Actually, private gun ownership is not rare gejohnston Sep 2015 #1
You make Switzerland sound just like the US. flamin lib Sep 2015 #2
It is a bigger pain in the ass than most of the states gejohnston Sep 2015 #4
Still peddling that Lott shit, right? flamin lib Sep 2015 #5
Are you back again? oneshooter Sep 2015 #6
Actually, I'm peddling Wright and Rossi. gejohnston Sep 2015 #14
Glad we live in America... ileus Sep 2015 #3
Glad you do too Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #7
Isn't it amazing when common sense comes into play. Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #8
As a non-resisident and not a citizen of the U.S., Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #42
Only you can answer that Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #43
A follow up to the OP flamin lib Sep 2015 #9
Well thanks... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #11
Didn't you swear NEVER to post on this Forum ever again? oneshooter Sep 2015 #13
I admire your ability to converse with these folks. I guess someone has to do it. randys1 Sep 2015 #26
You just have to pick and choose who to respond to. flamin lib Sep 2015 #28
I totally agree Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #44
The problem with many Democratic proponents of gun control branford Sep 2015 #49
"Gun Culture:" A patchwork of sociological & psychological terms meant to disparage... Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #10
This OP is a good point of departure for good discussion... Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #12
The argument that guns are causing all the violence in the US TeddyR Sep 2015 #15
That doesn't make sense. DetlefK Sep 2015 #16
You fixate on the metal and plastic, his post focuses on the people intent on committing crime. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #17
No, this is about his reasoning. DetlefK Sep 2015 #18
That's not how I read it. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #19
"The biggest difference between the US and Switzerland? How they think about guns:" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #20
Eh, the militias right now wouldn't accept joining a well-regulated militia. DetlefK Sep 2015 #21
well regulated in the amendment gejohnston Sep 2015 #22
Uhhhh...in the 18c. the government didn't control militias the way you suggest. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #23
any bonehead allowed in the UM jimmy the one Sep 2015 #24
re: the unorganized militia discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #25
Unorganized militia is a JOKE jimmy the one Sep 2015 #31
"Unorganized militia is a JOKE" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #34
woman up jimmy the one Sep 2015 #35
Okay. Females who are members of the National Guard are the only ones eligible for the Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #36
nuclear yammering jimmy the one Sep 2015 #37
"The sleeping masses" are not a federal statue James; the unorganized militia is. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #38
re: your thoughts above from #31 discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #41
(unorganized) groups of one jimmy the one Sep 2015 #47
Please, render for us... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #48
You're arguing a red herring again, james. beevul Sep 2015 #27
2ndA both a right & a limitation jimmy the one Sep 2015 #33
Negative ghost rider. beevul Sep 2015 #39
Hey, you know very well facts and historical context don't really matter DonP Sep 2015 #40
do you see the 'and' I wonder? jimmy the one Sep 2015 #45
regurgitating a half truth jimmy the one Sep 2015 #46
Says the guy with one eye closed. beevul Sep 2015 #50
"Stop embellishing requirements to join the unorganized MOB" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #30
Unorg'd militia, obsolete JOKE jimmy the one Sep 2015 #32
Concept of being a citizen HassleCat Sep 2015 #29
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