Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: The new anti-gun-control meme: The US should be more like Switzerland. [View all]jimmy the one
(2,717 posts)dscntnt: Yes it was/is and the unorganized militia is still the militia.
I don't know why I argue against absurd reasoning, but once again the UNORGANIZED militia is not a well regulated militia, and is not what was intended by the 2ndAmendment.
UNORGANIZED, inactive, couch potato, sedentary, ineffective, have all been used to describe the unorganized militia.
dscntnt: They show up in groups of one and join the ranks of the national military all the time.
dscntnt: "They show up in groups of one..". >> Should I really go any further?
dscntnt: Of great value in modern conflict regardless of terrain or theater is the sniper. They are valued for their abilities at precision targeting of personnel and equipment, gathering intel and the ability to improvise and overcome challenges in roles including counterinsurgency and spec ops work. Folks that have these skills predominately acquire them over long periods. Most often they begin shooting as teens and young adults. These are not the kind of abilities one can learn during basic training as a rule... The fact that you fail to recognize this only serves to enhance my opinion of them.
Again with the absurd reasoning. As if your red herrings above have anything to do with a discussion of whether the unorganized militia as an entity is or is not a joke, or is what was intended by the 2nd amendment.
dscntnt: The term in the 2A is "well regulated" which at the time also carried the meaning of effective
Really? and how is the UNORGANIZED Militia 'effective', if it is inactive & unorganized?
Webster's 1828 dictionary:
EFFECT'IVE, a. Having the power to cause or produce; efficacious.
1. Operative; active; having the quality of producing effects.
2. Efficient; causing to be; as an effective cause.
3. Having the power of active operation; able; as effective men in any army; an effective force.
Effective describes almost exactly what the unorganized militia is NOT.
Back then in 1791, 'well regulated' carried the meaning of 'effective'? that meaning would've been an inference I suppose, but I don't see your point, since you obviously try to obscure what 'regulated' meant by definition. Oh wait, obscurity is your point?
Pls point out in Webster's 1828 dictionary, which definition fits 'effective':
REG'ULATE, v.t. 1. To adjust by rule, method or established mode; as, to regulate weights and measures; to regulate the assize of bread; to regulate our moral conduct by the laws of God and of society; to regulate our manners by the customary forms.
2. To put in good order; as, to regulate the disordered state of a nation or its finances.
3. To subject to rules or restrictions; as, to regulate trade; to regulate diet.
REG'ULATED, pp. Adjusted by rule, method or forms; put in good order; subjected to rules or restrictions. . http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/search/word,organize