Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: The new anti-gun-control meme: The US should be more like Switzerland. [View all]jimmy the one
(2,717 posts)dscntnt: As JFK said: "The Second Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason I believe the Second Amendment will always be important."
You take a sentence out of context, & even alter it to fit your cherry pick. In context it's clear JFK was referring to a well regulated militia which was needed for the security of a free state & thus the citz had the rkba, BECAUSE JFK WAS REFERRING TO THE PREVAILING VIEW OF THE 2ND AMENDMENT AT THE TIME 1960, which was militia based.
JFK: April 1960: By calling attention to a well regulated militia, the security of the nation, and the right of each citizen to keep and bear arms, our Founding Fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important.
dscntnt: To be of value as a military unit or supplement thereto, a percentage of an unorganized militia MUST have some degree of skill-at-arms. Since by virtue of the fact that these folks MUST be civilians and not paid professionals, they must have a means to develop said skills. This would be difficult without any arms.
What was this, some sort of unorganized rant? there is NO drilling necessary to belong to unorg'd militia, no regular training, nothing. There is NO organized method of training in the unorg'd militia to 'develop skill at arms'.
The unorganized militia has met as a militia force once since its inception circa 1903, in wwII, only ~5,000 bothered to show up near ft stevens oregon right after pearl harbor, and most of them were wwI vets. Aside from that the unorg'd militia has never showed up armed to fight any battle.
THE UNORGANIZED MILITIA IS A JOKE.
dscntnt: You claim that "well regulated" would exclude "unorganized" but you have yet to offer proof of that in light of the 18th century usage of the these terms at the time of their authoring.
You misquoted me, what I wrote: .. the unorganized militia, by defintion of the word unorganized, is not well regulated, and therefore could not possibly be the well reg'd militia described in the 2nd amendment.
dscntnt: You claim that "well regulated" would exclude "unorganized" but you have yet to offer proof of that in light of the 18th century usage of the these terms at the time of their authoring.
You seriously don't understand the diff between well regulated and unorganized?
OK, websters 1828 dictionary:
UNOR'GANIZED, a. Not organized; not having organic structure or vessels for the preparation, secretion and distribution of nourishment, &c. Metals are unorganized bodies. {HAHAHAHA}
OR'GANIZE, v.t. 3. To distribute into suitable parts and appoint proper officers, that the whole may act as one body; as, to organize an army. So we say, to organize the house of representatives, which is done by the appointment of officers and verification of the powers of the several members. So we say, a club, a party or a faction is organized, when it takes a systemized form. This original and supreme will organizes the government. http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/search/word,organize
REG'ULATE, v.t. 1. To adjust by rule, method or established mode; as, to regulate weights and measures; to regulate the assize of bread; to regulate our moral conduct by the laws of God and of society; to regulate our manners by the customary forms.
2. To put in good order; as, to regulate the disordered state of a nation or its finances.
3. To subject to rules or restrictions; as, to regulate trade; to regulate diet.
REG'ULATED, pp. Adjusted by rule, method or forms; put in good order; subjected to rules or restrictions.
You dscntnt, argue the absurd.