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Nuclear Unicorn

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20. "The biggest difference between the US and Switzerland? How they think about guns:"
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 06:53 AM
Sep 2015

Okay, so let's talk about national defense policy. The Swiss do not have an expeditionary military. America does. In Progressive circles we refer to it as the Military Industrial Complex and it's generally considered a bad thing.

America is a resource-rich patch of spacious land. It would be worth invading. If you don't want the MIC but you want to keep your home and your freedoms you will have to fight for it.

(I don't know. Some people seem over-burdened by "freedumb" and seem to resent the idea. Maybe they're better off serving a foreign imperialist power.)

In order to fight for it you will have to possess the means to fight and make it so painful for an invader to control that the cost is too great. If you don't have aircraft carriers you're going to have to make sure 100 million people can shoot like soldiers.

Do you want to turn 100 million people into militia?

I'm willing to give it a whirl in order to get out from under the MIC but that means the control fetishists are going to have to get over themselves and see to it that MOAR GUNZ! are put into the hands of the populace, not less -- and lots of training too -- like, from high school on up.

Usually thoughts like that give Controllers the vapors.


The problem in the US is not the guns themselves but the gun-culture. US-culture has less social obstacles and mediators that disencourage selfish (e.g.: committing a violent crime) behavior.

I have to agree with his conclusion: To me as a foreigner, it seems as if the US treats it as a basic right to become a celebrity.
"Do you want to be famous? Do you want to be rich? Do you want to get the privileged treatment you know you deserve? Deep down you know that you are the star in this movie that is your life. All the other people are just extras, just empty slates. YOU are someone special. YOU will be a "hero". You are so close to getting what is rightfully yours. Now all you have to do is doing something selfish, stupid and reckless. What are you waiting for? You are special! Now all you have to do is claim it!

Grab your gun and rob that store, because you are special and other people are not.
Deny that gay couple their legal right to marriage, because you are special and they are not.
Walk around with an assault-rifle in public, because you are special and they are not.
You deserve these 15 minutes of fame with your dick-headed publicity stunt, because you are special and they are not."

Sorry, but that's just dumb. You're comparing those want to protect themselves from criminals to the criminals.

A woman who carries a gun to protect herself from an abusive stalkers is not the same as a bank robber. A store owner is not the same as a rampage killer.

You might as well claim people who go to wine tastings are the reason we have abusive alcoholics.

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Actually, private gun ownership is not rare gejohnston Sep 2015 #1
You make Switzerland sound just like the US. flamin lib Sep 2015 #2
It is a bigger pain in the ass than most of the states gejohnston Sep 2015 #4
Still peddling that Lott shit, right? flamin lib Sep 2015 #5
Are you back again? oneshooter Sep 2015 #6
Actually, I'm peddling Wright and Rossi. gejohnston Sep 2015 #14
Glad we live in America... ileus Sep 2015 #3
Glad you do too Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #7
Isn't it amazing when common sense comes into play. Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #8
As a non-resisident and not a citizen of the U.S., Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #42
Only you can answer that Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #43
A follow up to the OP flamin lib Sep 2015 #9
Well thanks... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #11
Didn't you swear NEVER to post on this Forum ever again? oneshooter Sep 2015 #13
I admire your ability to converse with these folks. I guess someone has to do it. randys1 Sep 2015 #26
You just have to pick and choose who to respond to. flamin lib Sep 2015 #28
I totally agree Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #44
The problem with many Democratic proponents of gun control branford Sep 2015 #49
"Gun Culture:" A patchwork of sociological & psychological terms meant to disparage... Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #10
This OP is a good point of departure for good discussion... Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #12
The argument that guns are causing all the violence in the US TeddyR Sep 2015 #15
That doesn't make sense. DetlefK Sep 2015 #16
You fixate on the metal and plastic, his post focuses on the people intent on committing crime. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #17
No, this is about his reasoning. DetlefK Sep 2015 #18
That's not how I read it. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #19
"The biggest difference between the US and Switzerland? How they think about guns:" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #20
Eh, the militias right now wouldn't accept joining a well-regulated militia. DetlefK Sep 2015 #21
well regulated in the amendment gejohnston Sep 2015 #22
Uhhhh...in the 18c. the government didn't control militias the way you suggest. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #23
any bonehead allowed in the UM jimmy the one Sep 2015 #24
re: the unorganized militia discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #25
Unorganized militia is a JOKE jimmy the one Sep 2015 #31
"Unorganized militia is a JOKE" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #34
woman up jimmy the one Sep 2015 #35
Okay. Females who are members of the National Guard are the only ones eligible for the Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #36
nuclear yammering jimmy the one Sep 2015 #37
"The sleeping masses" are not a federal statue James; the unorganized militia is. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #38
re: your thoughts above from #31 discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #41
(unorganized) groups of one jimmy the one Sep 2015 #47
Please, render for us... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #48
You're arguing a red herring again, james. beevul Sep 2015 #27
2ndA both a right & a limitation jimmy the one Sep 2015 #33
Negative ghost rider. beevul Sep 2015 #39
Hey, you know very well facts and historical context don't really matter DonP Sep 2015 #40
do you see the 'and' I wonder? jimmy the one Sep 2015 #45
regurgitating a half truth jimmy the one Sep 2015 #46
Says the guy with one eye closed. beevul Sep 2015 #50
"Stop embellishing requirements to join the unorganized MOB" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #30
Unorg'd militia, obsolete JOKE jimmy the one Sep 2015 #32
Concept of being a citizen HassleCat Sep 2015 #29
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