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In reply to the discussion: The new anti-gun-control meme: The US should be more like Switzerland. [View all]Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)19. That's not how I read it.
I'm not going to argue your interlocutor's case for him -- in case I'm mistaken in some regard -- but I'm not seeing your interpretation. In fact, I'm at a loss to see how you came to your interpretation.
You could implement a ban on gun ownership tomorrow and there would still be millions of guns in the hands of felons who would go around shooting people, and the only people that wouldn't have access to a gun are those who obey the law.
It seems to me he's acknowledging the fact there are hundreds of millions of guns in the US and billions more worldwide. The djinni cannot be put back in the bottle and the horse is already out of the barn, if I may borrow some metaphors.
That being said, you cannot ensure criminals will not have access to this residual supply of guns (or that new ones won't be made).
So, if you cannot guarantee criminals will not have access to guns -- just like you cannot guarantee criminals do not have access to illegal drugs -- what is the value of disarming the victims of violent criminals?
It's not the guns its the intent of the party seeking the gun. The criminals have the intent to prey upon people. The law abiding have the intent of going about their lives as peaceably as possible, which is why gun control only disarms the peaceable.
Even if you could keep guns away from criminals do you honestly think that will be the end of crime? More than 95% of violent rapes do not involve a gun. Do you think the disarmed 5% will suddenly stop being rapists? Do you think there will be an end to home invasions, robberies, muggings and car-jackings? Do you think rampage killers will shrug their shoulders and seek psychiatric intervention? Or will they simply turn their psychotic fixations towards inventing other means for creating grandiose images of carnage on the evening news?
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The new anti-gun-control meme: The US should be more like Switzerland. [View all]
DetlefK
Sep 2015
OP
I admire your ability to converse with these folks. I guess someone has to do it.
randys1
Sep 2015
#26
"Gun Culture:" A patchwork of sociological & psychological terms meant to disparage...
Eleanors38
Sep 2015
#10
You fixate on the metal and plastic, his post focuses on the people intent on committing crime.
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#17
"The biggest difference between the US and Switzerland? How they think about guns:"
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#20
Uhhhh...in the 18c. the government didn't control militias the way you suggest.
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#23
Okay. Females who are members of the National Guard are the only ones eligible for the
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#36
"The sleeping masses" are not a federal statue James; the unorganized militia is.
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#38