Gun Control & RKBA

benEzra

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67. Then don't pretend it's about "saving lives", since rifles are the least misused of all weapons.

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 06:21 PM

Sep 2015

If MDA is fighting to legislate rifle stock shape, then it has nothing whatsoever to do with "saving lives", and everything to do with sticking it to lawful gun owners.

You can't simultaneously claim that they aren't out to ban people's guns, and that they want to ban AR-15's and other popular rifles. And you can't claim that their focus is "saving lives" if one of their top legislative priorities is banning guns involved in fewer than 250 murders annually out of 12,000. They're after competitive shooting, recreational shooting, and the enthusiast culture, and that focus proves it.

And why would they stop there? If MDA is after centerfire .22's and slow .30's used in fewer than 200 murders annually, then why should owners of handguns or pump-action shotguns trust them?

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Went to an organizational meeting for a new chapter of MDA today. [View all] flamin lib Sep 2015 OP

because Bloomberg wants prohibition gejohnston Sep 2015 #1

Ya' know I didn't meet a single one of your moles there. flamin lib Sep 2015 #2

read the edit gejohnston Sep 2015 #3

You didn't challenge or refute a single point that he made. krispos42 Sep 2015 #4

I should know better and nothing I say here will make the slightest dent in the flamin lib Sep 2015 #6

Thank you. krispos42 Sep 2015 #43

The Lanza commentary alluded to the fact that mass shootings, while spectacular, are a small portion flamin lib Sep 2015 #47

So where do they stand on banning "assault weapons" and normal-capacity magazines? benEzra Sep 2015 #44

Aha, found it. One of the first (or perhaps THE first) ad campaign MDA ever did... benEzra Sep 2015 #48

Yes, an assault weapons ban is one of the items on their long term agenda and I don't care. flamin lib Sep 2015 #49

If that is true Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #51

You win this argument, I'll support you in the quest to ban pistols. nt flamin lib Sep 2015 #53

Nice try as I do not call for that Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #54

AWB is a waste of time. Extended magazines not so much. nt flamin lib Sep 2015 #56

In your own post today (#49), branford Sep 2015 #57

Awww shit, I get so Goddamn tired of this crap. MDA has a long term goal of an AWB and I don't care flamin lib Sep 2015 #58

If you start a thread about your involvement in a particular group branford Sep 2015 #59

truly amazing Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #61

... oneshooter Sep 2015 #60

"I should not have come here." pablo_marmol Sep 2015 #62

While I may not agree with all of Flamin Lib's positions on firearms, branford Sep 2015 #66

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #68

Bravo!! Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #69

Of course you don't care! pablo_marmol Sep 2015 #64

Then don't pretend it's about "saving lives", since rifles are the least misused of all weapons. benEzra Sep 2015 #67

Is bloomberg giving away triggar locks? Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #5

I'm talking outreach here. Going to the schools and PTA meetings to educate flamin lib Sep 2015 #7

Did you educate on project childsafe? Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #13

This was an organizational meeting so nothing was "educated on". flamin lib Sep 2015 #15

I do not hate Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #16

Really? Coulda' fooled me. The rhetoric seems to indicate a heated flamin lib Sep 2015 #18

Sorry but let me get my hip waders Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #19

I guess the answer is 'no'. nt flamin lib Sep 2015 #21

You have seen many of my posts Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #23

Yes, I've seen many of your posts. flamin lib Sep 2015 #25

He is skeptical of a group that has worked against Dems, hides their prohibitionism... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #17

Thank you Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #20

I agree with you. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #93

Thanks, now I know where I went wrong... Human101948 Sep 2015 #8

Well there is besmartforkids.org/ sarisataka Sep 2015 #12

I doubt it Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #14

MDA wants "gun safety," branford Sep 2015 #9

We need to fight back, no is not the time to abandon our progressive 2A stance. ileus Sep 2015 #10

Good for you! sarisataka Sep 2015 #11

Speaking of meetings at schools.. virginia mountainman Sep 2015 #22

Does not surpise me, I am sure the OP Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #24

I strongly approve of the focus on gun security. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2015 #26

+1 DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #27

Straw purchase is almost impossible to prove. In one case from Kansas a felon flamin lib Sep 2015 #29

Most of those MDA people sound like Kang Colby Sep 2015 #28

Why would you doubt that an organization dedicated to reducing gun violence flamin lib Sep 2015 #30

How many gun locks have Everytown, MDA, MAIG distributed since they started? DonP Sep 2015 #31

Because it has happened before. Straw Man Sep 2015 #32

Did you read the VPC piece? flamin lib Sep 2015 #33

You've essentially admitted that "gun safety" is indeed not the priority, branford Sep 2015 #34

No, I did not. nt flamin lib Sep 2015 #36

I beg to differ, particularly when the focus is on preventing people from liking guns. branford Sep 2015 #39

Beg all ya' want. nt flamin lib Sep 2015 #50

Simple! repeal 2ndA, invoke martial law! jimmy the one Sep 2015 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #71

Words have meaning, particularly in a legal context. branford Sep 2015 #72

It is the really mean people like this ^^^^ that causes him to not want to post here. oneshooter Sep 2015 #74

Heres a 'Jimmy' that actually has something relevent to say. beevul Sep 2015 #75

memory lane jimmy the one Sep 2015 #78

need read more than cliff notes jimmy the one Sep 2015 #76

One of the problems with near-Trumpian levels of self regard, James... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #79

prove ar15s in common use jimmy the one Sep 2015 #83

You made the original assertion, you prove it. And your opinion of their suitability is irrelevant friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #86

BTW: Repetition + prolixity =/= veracity friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #88

iconic hocus pocus jimmy the one Sep 2015 #89

Oy ... Straw Man Sep 2015 #90

When there's a moral panic to be touted, incovenient facts get ignored friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #92

"AR15s are NOT in common use." Oh, bullshit. They are a commonly used *firearm* friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #91

Popularity. Straw Man Sep 2015 #80

Some posters apparently believe that having a DU account is equivalent to... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #81

thanks for the support jimmy the one Sep 2015 #82

Wrong as usual, Jimbo. Straw Man Sep 2015 #84

I shoot HighPower here in the Houston area. oneshooter Sep 2015 #85

The solipsist regards only their own view and viewpoint as valid friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #87

Nope. benEzra Sep 2015 #94

Well... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #95

false premise after false premis (4) jimmy the one Sep 2015 #77

And what percentage of that 55% stems from... benEzra Sep 2015 #96

peculiar ar15 jimmy the one Sep 2015 #97

A centerfire .22 that fires once and only once when the trigger is pulled. benEzra Sep 2015 #98

Is there a refutation of branford's post in there somewhere? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #73

You've obviously never seen the Eddie Eagle program if you believe that DonP Sep 2015 #35

"Perhaps you can share some of the child safety materials distributed by Brady or MDA" Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #42

So what is the non-indoctinational gun safety program sarisataka Sep 2015 #37

Thank you for pointing out, unintentionally, why... beevul Sep 2015 #38

Yes, both now and when it first appeared. Straw Man Sep 2015 #40

"Did you read the VPC piece?" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #45

Priceless comment in the same thead but in the other group. beevul Sep 2015 #41

And they wonder why the can't make any progress toward "gun control". pablo_marmol Sep 2015 #65

This is a thread on gun safety training. Hangingon Sep 2015 #46

It was unlocked, fyi Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #52

What is "support reasonable limits on where loaded guns can be carried"? Statistical Sep 2015 #55

Thanks, but no thanks to your invitation to "join us". NT pablo_marmol Sep 2015 #63