Gun Control & RKBA

jimmy the one

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43. go fetch

Reply to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #40)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:04 AM

Sep 2015

swiss tony: Howard spent millions on the gun retrieval.

icon: Since 'retrieval' means "getting something back", this was not a retrieval, as the Australian government never owned these guns in the first place.

You & beevul cherry pick nits. There are broader definitions such as 'salvage' and 'remedy' and 'correct':

Retrieve: 3: to get back again : regain
4 a: rescue, salvage b: to return (as a ball that is difficult to reach) successfully
5: restore, revive <his writing retrieves the past>
6: to remedy the evil consequences of (Correct)
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retrieve

2. to bring back to a more satisfactory state; revive
3. to extricate from trouble or danger; rescue or save
http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/retrieve

Swiss Tony's claim is demonstrably inaccurate.

Yours is. Perhaps he did mean it as to 'get back', but it doesn't negate his argument.

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Xpost: Austrailian gun control... [View all] beevul Sep 2015 OP

The question I have is Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #1

Very good questions SwissTony Sep 2015 #2

I have a bad connection Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #3

Fair enough. SwissTony Sep 2015 #4

When you find the actual numbers , please share Hangingon Sep 2015 #7

Oh yeah? sarisataka Sep 2015 #29

Do they still allow CC, and AR type firearms and magazines. ileus Sep 2015 #5

Oh, boy. "a fundamental right to self defense with firearms" SwissTony Sep 2015 #6

but you had gun control before gejohnston Sep 2015 #8

We had gun control, but John Howard tightened things up. SwissTony Sep 2015 #13

the fact that Howard gejohnston Sep 2015 #24

it was undemocratic in that he didn't put the question to a formal referendum. SwissTony Sep 2015 #26

because you wanted it or you were manipulated to wanting it gejohnston Sep 2015 #28

Post Script gejohnston Sep 2015 #30

FFS, do you really claim that knife and gun are the same in a mass murder? Which would you.... Logical Sep 2015 #31

The worst is arson. gejohnston Sep 2015 #32

Worst? No, but much easier. Wow, you are not a deep thinker I assume. nt Logical Sep 2015 #33

I was thinking more in gejohnston Sep 2015 #34

2 things discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #9

I'm sorry to say I probably agree with point 1. SwissTony Sep 2015 #15

About that... beevul Sep 2015 #19

A few more things discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #35

people only attack with firearms and in equal numbers and strength? ileus Sep 2015 #10

Sorry, mate. i don't know what you're saying here. n/t SwissTony Sep 2015 #16

He's saying - Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #46

He's saying "Paranoia rules!" Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #55

Are you saying all confrontations favor or are equal to the capabilities of the victim? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #56

Of course confrontations happen Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #57

"It's how we deal with them that determines what kind of society we live in." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #58

No, but I think the fear of them should be dealt with in the appropriate way Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #59

People make all sort of preparations for all sorts unfortunate events. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #60

I have no emotional response to guns, rational or irrational. Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #61

It's definitely irrational if you think criminals don't strike in public. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #62

Then we have a very different idea of what is rational. Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #64

What is reasonable about demanding people not defend themselves outside their homes? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #66

Where did I say you should not defend yourself outside the home? Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #68

The problem is -- Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #71

And my point is... Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #74

controllers want prohibition for its own sake gejohnston Sep 2015 #77

"If the US wants to remain credible in terms of basic societal norms..." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #79

Wow, I guess I'm learning something new every day Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #81

I'm aware of the Magna Carta and ancient democracies Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #86

You are "aware" of Magna Carta? Well, say no more. Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #89

It's amusing that you can fabricate so many things about what freedom is or isn't and yet Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #96

Rationality and emotion. Straw Man Sep 2015 #63

Then let me clarify Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #65

"How one chooses to do that is a whole other question." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #67

OK I think we're done here Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #69

Explain how there is an ounce of difference about how innocent people Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #70

It only makes a difference if you care about what kind of society you want to live in Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #72

personally, gejohnston Sep 2015 #75

That's a meaningless statement. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #78

Not at all. I don't give a shit if you all carry guns. Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #80

For someone who doesn't care Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #85

your stats are not only wrong gejohnston Sep 2015 #73

Further clarification. Straw Man Sep 2015 #76

You seem determined to paint me as some kind of controller. Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #82

This is what you, a subject of the crown, want. oneshooter Sep 2015 #83

Thank you for letting me know what I want Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #84

You paint yourself ... Straw Man Sep 2015 #87

Right! Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #90

When the countries in Europe, including the UK, started gejohnston Sep 2015 #88

I could buy a gun tomorrow legally Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #91

Several questions. Straw Man Sep 2015 #92

Italy Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #93

you realize many of the laws are hold overs from gejohnston Sep 2015 #95

Actually, the laws are pretty new and constantly evolving. Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #98

there have been changes, gejohnston Sep 2015 #100

Lots of things go back to the time of Il Duce Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #102

the hunting regulation is common in the States gejohnston Sep 2015 #105

Ah, Italy. Straw Man Sep 2015 #97

Not anyone can walk in and buy a gun Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #101

sorry, wrong again gejohnston Sep 2015 #104

Anyone living in the country should have equal rights in terms of self defense Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #106

what evidence do you have race is the reason? gejohnston Sep 2015 #108

These stunts exemplify the reality. Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #110

neither gejohnston Sep 2015 #111

Sorry, not familiar with Air Strip One or Piers Morgan Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #115

Never read 1984? gejohnston Sep 2015 #119

Yes I read 1984 Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #120

hatred towards Obama has little to do with race gejohnston Sep 2015 #121

You haven't answered ... Straw Man Sep 2015 #107

rights should not be up for public debate gejohnston Sep 2015 #94

Do you know how many guns have been confiscated from the total in the country? Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #12

I have no information on that subject, but it was a pretty impressive number SwissTony Sep 2015 #18

Regarding Australia... benEzra Sep 2015 #11

your common misconceptions jimmy the one Sep 2015 #14

jimmy the wizard of OZ jimmy the one Sep 2015 #20

your common misconception, #2 jimmy the one Sep 2015 #17

First things first, James. We have unfinished business, you and I. beevul Sep 2015 #21

Pew's new poll! jimmy the one Sep 2015 #22

I'll take that as a concession. beevul Sep 2015 #23

The pro-gun regulars also don't defend those who work against Democrats seeking reelection... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #25

Exactly. N/T beevul Sep 2015 #27

gun retrieval, not confiscation jimmy the one Sep 2015 #36

Says you. beevul Sep 2015 #37

This is the same person that finds it acceptable to attack Dems seeking reelection: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #38

Yup. It is truly astonishing. beevul Sep 2015 #41

compensation in the buyback jimmy the one Sep 2015 #42

The confiscation, you mean. beevul Sep 2015 #44

So if some future president abolished voting but paid each voter $475 you'd be okay with that. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #47

Tapdance all you want, it was and is confiscation: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #39

You are also using a cheap and obvious appeal to authority friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #40

go fetch jimmy the one Sep 2015 #43

"bring back to a more satisfactory state" Back to something that did not exist previously... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #45

Did the owners have the right to decline? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #48

confiscatio jimmy the one Sep 2015 #49

they offered compensation only because gejohnston Sep 2015 #50

If the owners had no choice and the government did not own the property then it was confiscation. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #51

nero & caligula, tyrants? jimmy the one Sep 2015 #54

holy sh.. beergood Sep 2015 #99

make your argument or rebuttal then jimmy the one Sep 2015 #103

So you cite Nero and Caligula. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #109

revise to worst ROMAN dictators in history jimmy the one Sep 2015 #112

Speaking of Roman dictators sarisataka Sep 2015 #113

not bankrupt, your post is jimmy the one Sep 2015 #116

Words usually have several definitions sarisataka Sep 2015 #118

more pathetic jimmy the one Sep 2015 #122

I found the use of the word sarisataka Sep 2015 #123

Just...this. beevul Sep 2015 #124

Bankruptcy. Straw Man Sep 2015 #125

As I said, weirder and weirder. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #114

some of us have too much time on our hands n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #117

Nothing so melodramatic or biased, james... beevul Sep 2015 #52

"Icon and I simply know how to read a dictionary..." No doubt James can also read quite well friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #53