Gun Control & RKBA

beevul

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53. Thanks.

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 02:15 PM

Aug 2015

Best way would be to not make guns available, period. I do NOT advocate that, btw, but it is the obvious solution.

"Obvious" and "best way" only to those who default to the parochial logic of focusing on the instrument.

The best way, is for those that can not be trusted with a gun, not to be able to walk freely through a society full of guns unsupervised.

But problems don't get solved without a desire to solve them.

Those who can not be trusted with a gun are the problem, not the guns themselves.

And yet, "how do we deal with the people that should not have guns, while respecting everyone else?" asked no anti-gun person. Ever.

Including you.

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What would be the most efficient means of keeping guns away from criminals? [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 OP

Take guns away/deny from good citizens. ileus Aug 2015 #1

"Take guns away"? No, that is unrealistic and not the solution Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #12

A) background checks! Fix the database discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #2

I'll go with a). Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #3

Smart guns. krispos42 Aug 2015 #4

Smarter guns sarisataka Aug 2015 #7

After calling 911 and reporting the location. krispos42 Aug 2015 #9

Un-invent guns? blueridge3210 Aug 2015 #5

Actively prosecute the illegal sales. ManiacJoe Aug 2015 #6

I'll go with D) Kang Colby Aug 2015 #8

The most efficient way would be to make gun possession in public illegal Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #10

Why not just aggravate the sentence of any crime committed with a gun? People who aren't Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #11

Unless what they are doing becomes a crime Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #13

"it could be argued that convicted felons who carry guns responsibly are not criminals" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #14

So the right to defend oneself with a gun excludes millions of Americans Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #20

First you grouse that law-aiding people are carrying. Now you're grousing convicted criminals aren't Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #21

First I was "carping", now I am "grousing" Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #79

I would say that you are neither fish nor fowl, or possably both? n/t oneshooter Aug 2015 #83

Ah, forget thee not the good red meat! n/t Big_Mike Aug 2015 #100

We have the constitution because Snobblevitch Aug 2015 #75

What "right to defend oneself with a gun" are you referring to? cheapdate Sep 2015 #127

How well does that work out gejohnston Aug 2015 #15

How well does what work out? Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #17

Chicago gejohnston Aug 2015 #22

They are obviously not doing it right. Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #26

It has been under single party rule gejohnston Aug 2015 #28

It is already illegal for criminals to carry in public hack89 Aug 2015 #16

I don't think you get my point Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #18

Once you prove this is a true statement then we can talk hack89 Aug 2015 #19

I have no idea, but I'm sure it is many Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #23

The bigger concern would be criminal gang activity hack89 Aug 2015 #24

+100 840high Aug 2015 #76

are you saying that one should get the gejohnston Aug 2015 #25

I do not support the death penalty. Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #29

wrong gejohnston Aug 2015 #31

You seem determined to defend Zimmerman Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #41

Facts, evidence, reason, honesty, consistency, gejohnston Aug 2015 #77

You still don't get where I'm coming from Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #78

Zimmerman is nothing like OJ gejohnston Aug 2015 #82

You must be kidding. Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #84

Can you make a rational argument gejohnston Aug 2015 #85

"left of center independent thinker" Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #86

I said nothing about that gejohnston Aug 2015 #87

Did you miss the part where I said the verdict was correct? Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #91

The air marshal who trained him gejohnston Aug 2015 #93

Going with a smear. Stay classy! NT pablo_marmol Aug 2015 #99

rest assured, gejohnston Aug 2015 #97

"I have no idea, but I'm sure it is many" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #34

How many do you think it is? Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #42

You made the original claim, so the onus is on *you* to back it up friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #44

No claim, I just stated the obvious Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #47

A claim to have "stated the obvious' is mere Colonism: friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #48

I am more interested in why the existence of a statistically miniscule number branford Aug 2015 #49

Sorry to disappoint you Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #54

"Scared people carry guns" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #56

I claim no such thing. They exist and, if they carry, they may be scared too. Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #59

"they may be scared too" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #66

You're kidding right? Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #68

I live within sight of a million + acre national forest. Bear country... Marengo Aug 2015 #94

Sure they exist Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #115

How can you be curious if you'e already judged them to be scared? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #116

Why do you call it judging? Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #117

There's also fires, personal injuries, natural disasters, etc. but I doubt you Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #120

No, but I'd think someone carrying a fire extinguisher around may have a problem Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #122

Do you think ascribing emotions to people that they aren't feeling Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #123

You give me reasons why people carry guns Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #124

I also give you reasons why people buy homeowners insurance. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #129

I say silly things? Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #135

"How does an AR-15 fit in a purse?" < silly thing said by you Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #136

Inspired by you, though Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #137

I think it's safe to say you have pretty well nicked the scourge of women carrying Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #138

Who knows what... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #139

LOL Thank you Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #142

Because 'judge' is the the root of 'prejudiced'- and you *are* prejudiced friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #121

Nonsense. I do not proclaim them all afraid. Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #125

"Most just want minor things like registration and accountability." beevul Aug 2015 #61

I don't know who you mean by "you guys" Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #64

You guys" in this case... beevul Aug 2015 #65

What did you say that I disagree with? Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #69

"Liberals don't carry guns" ??? branford Aug 2015 #62

You should be aware... beevul Aug 2015 #63

Well now, that explains a lot. Thanks. NT pablo_marmol Aug 2015 #98

I think you misunderstood my post. Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #67

"Windows has been updated about 9 times in 20 years and it is still far from perfect." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #70

I wouldn't call it "constant flux" Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #71

"a society and not living in fear of each other." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #72

"Do you think the rest of us are stupid, or that we live in a repressive society?" beevul Aug 2015 #73

Your interlocutor seems to have suddenly lost interest in your conversation friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #80

Yeah...its funny how that works. N/t beevul Aug 2015 #81

The "rest of the world" eh?... Marengo Aug 2015 #95

Its sure to include places like Japan... beevul Aug 2015 #96

"liberals don't carry guns" beergood Sep 2015 #113

Excellent piece. Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #114

I should know better than respond to you by now, but........ pablo_marmol Sep 2015 #118

We actually have hard data on that, and the vast majority of murders benEzra Aug 2015 #107

That prior arrest record and race data is vigorously denied by many... Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #112

Smart Guns. deathrind Aug 2015 #27

I've been suggesting that for years Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #30

"yet they trust their gun. Maybe it's a hi-tech/lo-tech thing." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #33

Thanks for making my point. Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #43

Yes, you proved we prefer reliability over phobia driven fantasies. Golly but you're clever. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #55

You want a reliable killing tool Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #57

"there are no stats to show that people sometimes get killed with their own guns" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #58

Oh boy! Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #60

You can give up if you wish but if you're certain RFID devices are so awesome Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #88

OMG I am so glad I don't live in a world where those questions need to be asked Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #89

There's no violent crime in your world or do the police always arrive in time? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #90

Why would the police arrive if there is no crime? Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #92

How often do people have issues with smartphones? branford Aug 2015 #35

You are right... deathrind Aug 2015 #36

Sigh... Kang Colby Aug 2015 #37

You really didn't address my points, branford Aug 2015 #39

"(W)e will just continue down the path we have been on for decades..." Lower crime rates? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #45

F) Disarm the police SamKnause Aug 2015 #32

Wrong question. beevul Aug 2015 #38

That's what I was thinking --- but my answer would be "D" to that question. (other) pablo_marmol Aug 2015 #40

Good correction Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #46

I'm glad you don't advocate it, but how is it the "obvious" solution? branford Aug 2015 #50

I think you said it all Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #52

Thats a big statement... beevul Aug 2015 #74

"the disarmament policies of the crown" and "plastic silverware" LOL Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #104

Why do you ask questions to which everyone knows the answers... beevul Aug 2015 #106

"Not easy in a country where half the population still lives in the 19th century." pablo_marmol Aug 2015 #103

Where is the smear marmol? Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #105

LOL! Try to be a little more disingenuous....and good luck! NT pablo_marmol Aug 2015 #108

There was no smear intended Starboard Tack Aug 2015 #110

Thanks. beevul Aug 2015 #53

Decriminalize everything tularetom Aug 2015 #51

I would propose this: virginia mountainman Aug 2015 #101

Basically my thinking with post #40....... pablo_marmol Aug 2015 #102

Something just occurred to me discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #109

Shameless self-kick for this novel idea! n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #111

Sure as hell aint rocket surgery. pablo_marmol Sep 2015 #119

Especially those dangerous drug possession criminals. randys1 Sep 2015 #126

IMHO... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #131

Yeah, i was being sarcastic randys1 Sep 2015 #140

thanks, I kind of got that discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #141

Find the deepest trench in the Pacific Ocean... Binkie The Clown Sep 2015 #128

If you want to collect all those guns... Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #130

So you'd ignore the Second Amendment TeddyR Sep 2015 #133

Both A and B, with mandatory open carry it caring it in public. The Reason. LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #132

going back to the Wright Rossi study, gejohnston Sep 2015 #134