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oldwizard

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14. The Internet can assist you in researching Answers
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 12:06 PM
Apr 2014

Dear LibGranny,

Research ALL advice on the internet, including your physician's.

1. Over hydration can KILL YOU. I know; by the time I was discovered unconscious and reached the ER, I was "within 2 to 3 hours of death", according to the ER physician who initially treated me .

I had taken the advice of drinking lots of water when working outdoors in high heat and humidity. What was not mentioned is that high intake of water can dilute your blood with a concomitant dilution of the electrolytes necessary in maintaining proper nerve function (heart), and not losing consciousness.

2. Electrolytes need to be in a balanced formula; read Wikipedia about both 'electrolytes' and then read about each of the electrolytes individually, i.e. enter "potassium", and read, etc. Having too much or too little (hyper and hypo) Potassium and Magnesium can cause serious medical problems. Too much calcium, in some individuals, can cause kidney stones, not life threatening, but painful (worse than childbirth, according to one woman who had had both a child and kidney stones).

After leaving the hospital, I went online to find a supplement that had all of the necessary electrolytes (and only electrolytes) in a BALANCED FORMULA OF SODIUM, POTASSIUM, MAGNESIUM, AND CALCIUM.

I found ONE such supplement. It's marketed to endurance athletes; the people who run 100 miles in the desert -- that sort of thing. I called their '800' number and explained I was not an endurance athlete but had terrible leg cramps after exercise and often leg cramps at night. The person told me about one of their customers (mid 60s) who had the same problem and after taking their balanced electrolytes the cramping stopped. I also greatly increase the dose of electrolytes when drinking large volumes of water to stay hydrated.

3. Proper hydration (NEVER, EVER, OVER-HYDRATION) with sufficient and balanced electrolyte intake is essential, particularly when it's cool and you don't think you need much in the way of fluid or electrolyte intake. You always need fluid and electrolyte intake, less when it's cool or even cold, but still critical.

4. Boiron"s "Cuprum Metallicum" (latin for copper metal), is a Homeopathic remedy, which means that it most likely won't harm you, since it contains virtually no copper at all, but most likely won't help you either. So take it if you want to, but only after water and electrolytes.

5. Quinine, Quinine Sulfate -- prescription tablet, probably cannot be obtained in the U.S. However, you might be able to obtain it from an online British pharmacy, where it is still prescribed for nighttime leg cramps at a dose of 300 mg. (see Wikipedia/quinine) The amount of quinine in quinine water is extremely small (see Wikipedia/quinine) and probably, but `not worth consuming.

6. I also STRONGLY RECOMMEND the website "Drugs.com". You can open an account, at no cost, where you can enter all the medications (both OTC and prescription) that you are taking, or are contemplating taking, and you will be given all of the interactions. The site also gives you access to information about similar medications and user reviews. You can also read both the manufacturer's and the FDA's information about any medication at either the consumer or 'professional' level (both OTC and prescription). If you open an account, or just go to the website, you can enter either "muscle cramps" or "hypertonicity", and you will get a list of prescription muscle relaxants.

7. If you see your physician and a blood test for electrolytes is ordered, it is extremely important, actually it's mandatory for determining the electrolyte levels that immediately precede your muscle cramps, to have exercised just as you normally would and without supplements, and then go to the lab as quickly as possible to have blood drawn to find out 'in real time' how your body reacts to exercise. If you don't, the results are more likely than not to show normal levels.

LibGranny, if you, or anybody, would like information on where I get my electrolyte supplements, or on one of the best (I think) labs in the country (apart from Cleveland Clinic and Mayo Clinic) just ask. I'll monitor this thread every week or so.

Walk bare foot. The good athletic shoes turn out not to be so good for everyone Lionessa Jan 2013 #1
I used to use full strength quinine and it worked ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #2
"quinine" left-of-center2012 Jan 2016 #21
my hubby is a pharmacist and said the herion thing isnt the reason but... samnsara Sep 2017 #34
Mine Comes From MS ProfessorGAC Feb 2013 #3
For some cramps, it's a deficiency of magnesium. Also, from your name, I get that you are maybe Nay Feb 2013 #4
same age group and thats what my dr said...that and drink samnsara Sep 2017 #36
Are you hydrating enough The empressof all Feb 2013 #5
I find I get them if I don't drink enough water. TDale313 Sep 2017 #35
Yes. I would start with dehydration. Good suggestion. Lilyhoney Sep 2017 #42
Magnesium and vitamin D ohheckyeah Feb 2013 #6
I second the Magnesium and Vitamin D hedgehog Feb 2014 #10
I too have found help with these. MuseRider Sep 2017 #33
Do you get enough to drink? Particularly in winter it is easy to get dehydrated. MADem Feb 2013 #7
actually i used to take water pills once in awhile and... samnsara Sep 2017 #37
Digging deep..... MADem Sep 2017 #43
Any problems with vertigo or dizziness ? If not arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #8
wrestless legs, toes, calf cramps.. Herself Feb 2014 #9
I also had this problem, which is now gone (?) b/c wordpix Feb 2014 #11
If you take a statin, it may be the cause. I had horrible leg cramps Nay Feb 2014 #12
Cuprum Metallicum made by Boiron... TeeYiYi Feb 2014 #13
The Internet can assist you in researching Answers oldwizard Apr 2014 #14
Canada still sells quinine and its OTC... samnsara Sep 2017 #38
I get them pretty often fadedrose May 2014 #15
I had killer cramps, including torso cramps Ineeda May 2014 #16
mine are never forgotten... the muscle in my leg stays sore for days after wards samnsara Sep 2017 #39
See my post #16 Ineeda May 2014 #17
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #18
spray cramp area with magnesium oil and you cramp will ease immediately-spray into your palm and rub akamushi Dec 2015 #19
Yes! Mag oil directly on cramps takes them away in like 2 minutes! fierywoman Sep 2017 #29
Magnesium oil works great for me - usually in about 10 seconds. Patterson Jun 2021 #45
For quick relief Dalai_1 Jan 2016 #20
i have heard this too...didnt work for me...but the night i did it maybe samnsara Sep 2017 #40
I had been plagued with nighttime leg cramps for years. RebelOne Sep 2016 #22
I'm gonna try it and I'll report back. mackerel Nov 2016 #23
While out yesterday I picked up a bottle of Vit. E mackerel Nov 2016 #24
I used to get horrific charley horses oppressedproletarian Sep 2017 #25
Water, drink more. I have the exact same problem, exact same story Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #26
Two common causes are insufficient potassium (eat bananas and tomatoes) and dehydration. tblue37 Sep 2017 #27
Bananas. C_U_L8R Sep 2017 #28
Drink more water WhiteTara Sep 2017 #30
Make sure your potassium supplement is prescription strength. Jane Austin Sep 2017 #31
i have had these for years and nothing stops them.... samnsara Sep 2017 #32
also the one thing i have noticed from the posts is to do... samnsara Sep 2017 #41
Just a thought here PennyK Sep 2017 #44
Epsom's salt is magnesium. Patterson Jun 2021 #46
I suffered with foot and leg cramps for years. Even my doctor couldn't help me but after scouring Stardust Oct 2021 #47
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