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tavalon

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33. Maybe you need to be the next Bill

Sat Feb 4, 2012, 11:01 AM

Feb 2012

Write a big book for atheists and agnostics and pagans, oh my. No seriously, you see a dearth here. Mine it. Help, and be of service.

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Spirituality vs the "God" idea. [View all] Stuart G Jan 2012 OP

thanks Stuart NMDemDist2 Jan 2012 #1

Nicely put. Tripod Jan 2012 #2

Agreed and well said Old Codger Jan 2012 #3

Once I invited my higher power back into the driver's seat, tavalon Feb 2012 #15

My own opinion Old Codger Feb 2012 #20

Thank you for that post above. Stuart G Feb 2012 #21

That is cult talk - don't tell the truth, don't make waves. Don't try to make any changes progree Feb 2012 #23

easy there NMDemDist2 Feb 2012 #27

And what you just said, in a nutshell, tavalon Feb 2012 #38

Well Old Codger Feb 2012 #31

Maybe you need to be the next Bill tavalon Feb 2012 #33

Well spoken! tavalon Feb 2012 #36

When I was drinking I was an agnostic. Now after many years of sobriety I have Him with me. Every demosincebirth Feb 2012 #35

Yeah, I think you hit on a sticky spot for some tavalon Feb 2012 #37

I've been sober over three decades -- have met few who don't believe in a Higher Power and there demosincebirth Feb 2012 #39

Kind of hard to endure the religious proselytization about a prayer-answering favor dispensing deity progree Jan 2012 #4

I've met folks from County Drug Court in the rooms Rhiannon12866 Jan 2012 #5

It is a violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution progree Jan 2012 #6

In answer to this quote...from above post.. Stuart G Jan 2012 #7

Your last line says it all tavalon Feb 2012 #16

It is not "playing God" to not believe in a prayer-answering favor-dispensing deity - NT progree Feb 2012 #24

There were lots of "I" statements in my post tavalon Feb 2012 #26

there has been much controversy about court ordered attendance for sure NMDemDist2 Jan 2012 #8

All the groups I've been to ... (2) Why I brought all this up progree Jan 2012 #9

i'm sure you're not the only one. i stated that in my first response NMDemDist2 Jan 2012 #10

Its not Bible thumpers that bother me... its the religious proselytization in the 12 Steps and Lit. progree Jan 2012 #11

i dunno NMDemDist2 Jan 2012 #12

What I resent is that it all these characterizations are directed at the agnostic / atheist progree Jan 2012 #14

I do not believe in this, and never have... Stuart G Jan 2012 #13

Prayer to me, is the time that I stop chattering tavalon Feb 2012 #18

Wow, nicely put. Tripod Feb 2012 #22

God in the Steps and literature sure sounds like a deity who does favors and answers prayers .... progree Feb 2012 #32

Wow, I've never been to a program tavalon Feb 2012 #17

The groups that I've been to end the meetings the exact same way Rhiannon12866 Feb 2012 #19

Well, I don't like a generic prayer-answering favor-dispensing deity being crammed down my throat progree Feb 2012 #25

i felt very much as you do NMDemDist2 Feb 2012 #28

Lord's Prayer..????? Stuart G Feb 2012 #29

FWIW, Stuart, my heart heard you loud and clear dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #30

Since you asked... progree Feb 2012 #34

A.A. Members In My Experience mrjackshuman Apr 2013 #40

this post is completely inappropriate for this group and this topic NMDemDist2 Apr 2013 #41

Your experience has not been mine. cordelia Apr 2013 #42

Your rant sounds like a personal problem and not my experience with and in AA. Lil Missy Apr 2013 #43

Nor has this been my experience Rhiannon12866 Apr 2013 #44

As long as you don't question the program, especially its "not religious" claim, you'll be fine n/t progree Apr 2013 #45

Again, not my experience. cordelia Apr 2013 #46

Question if you like..here is what happened last Sunday...at a 12 step meeting........... Stuart G Apr 2013 #47

Thanks for this, terrific answer! Rhiannon12866 Apr 2013 #48

Did he or she question the "not religious" claim or the program, other than ask a question about it? progree Apr 2013 #49