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Moonwalk

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34. It's not a bad test and here is WHY there must be two women...
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 01:09 PM
Jan 2013

...because if there is only one then she ends up standing for all women. Just like if there's one black man in a movie he ends up standing for all blacks. It doesn't matter if she's kick-ass, just as it doesn't matter if the black-man is cool, the fact that the film is totally male but for that woman, or totally white but for that black man makes them into a symbol for all their gender/race rather than into a character.

We view men (white men) as human beings. Meaning they can have all the human characteristics of the human rainbow--they can be petty, generous, mean, kind, brave, cowardly, smart, stupid. But if you watched a movie with only one man in it, or only one white person in it, you'd be more sensitive to how they were portrayed. You'd ask, "Why is the only man in the movie not smart?" or "Why does he have to be an asshole?" Suddenly, that one man wouldn't be a human being, a character, he'd be a symbol of the male gender.

As for speaking to each other, if the women only talk to men, it implies that men are more important--that women (especially those kick-ass women) see men as their equals, but not other women (the non-kick ass women usually). If they talk to each other, then both women edge into being characters (human beings) rather than symbols (kick-ass woman/non-kick-ass woman), and if they talk about things other than men, then they're nearly on par with all those male characters who talk to each other about things other than women. It's a matter of equality. Do the women get to talk to each other like the men get to talk to each other?

When you imply that all that matters is there be a strong female lead, what you're really saying is that we should be happy with a token gesture rather than the real thing. The real thing is a well-integrated movie that features both genders in many roles, and all of them speaking to each other as they would in real life. Why should a single Catwoman be enough? You offer a "be happy with what you've got" scenario. That's like telling a person struggling on minimum wage that they should be happy they got a job and not strike for higher pay.

No. Sorry. I want more.

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kick samsingh Jan 2013 #1
K and R Squinch Jan 2013 #2
wow, rec'd n/t NMDemDist2 Jan 2013 #3
Very interesting. I guess the very pervasiveness of the problem annabanana Jan 2013 #4
Yup - "click" - like when the lightbulb Mira Jan 2013 #5
The website is pretty interesting too intaglio Jan 2013 #6
The narrator Doc Holliday Jan 2013 #7
How would you present this subject as "glass half-full"? Iggo Jan 2013 #8
I still like "Clerks" secondvariety Jan 2013 #9
Wow! This is the kind of deeper understanding that needs to be part of the dialogue... NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #10
I had this same "click" moment while watching The Good Wife. enough Jan 2013 #11
One of those movies wasn't fair TlalocW Jan 2013 #12
lol . . .n/t annabanana Jan 2013 #13
Wall-E is unfair because some of the robots are feminized. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #14
Very enlightening - even movies ostensibly targeted to women don't pass that test... Richardo Jan 2013 #15
Is the other side of that different? thesquanderer Jan 2013 #18
I had talked about this phenomenon with my boyfriend before. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #16
Fascinating, duhneece Jan 2013 #17
My novel just barely passes the test nuxvomica Jan 2013 #19
If they do meet the test, I've heard men AND women call them AllyCat Jan 2013 #20
even many/most "chick flicks" the women are talking about men Hamlette Jan 2013 #23
enlightening! dooner Jan 2013 #21
R&K. For later viewing. nt longship Jan 2013 #22
Wow. ninehippies Jan 2013 #24
I'd like to see 3 categories naturallyselected Jan 2013 #25
Women in movies are generally props.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #26
Like A Little Misleading erpowers Jan 2013 #27
I noted that about X-Men as well--the two women only talk to each other... Moonwalk Jan 2013 #32
forwarded to film evaluator NJCher Jan 2013 #28
This reminds me of why I like Hiyao Miyazaki's cartoons so much starroute Jan 2013 #29
I'm not sure it actually passes the test, but... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #30
"She must mean" nah, she was pretty clear. Nice try though. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #41
A Bad Test erpowers Jan 2013 #31
It's not a bad test and here is WHY there must be two women... Moonwalk Jan 2013 #34
No, Not True erpowers Jan 2013 #39
Well said. spooky3 Jan 2013 #40
One interpretation (probably misguided) Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #33
So...Thor was a Chick Flick? Moonwalk Jan 2013 #35
Hell, I don't know. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #36
This is interesting. MyshkinCommaPrince Jan 2013 #37
Interesting video. Made me think. Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #38
This is really interesting gollygee Jan 2013 #42
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