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Starry Messenger

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Sat Sep 22, 2012, 11:44 AM Sep 2012

Women Speak Drastically Less When They’re Surrounded by Dudes. And That’s Bad. [View all]

http://jezebel.com/5944642/women-speak-75-less-when-theyre-surrounded-by-dudes-and-thats-bad



Womanhood is full of frustrating hunches, and society is full of people who want to pooh-pooh those hunches. "I'm pretty sure I'm being treated like shit right now because of my vagina," we women say. "Shut UP, women! Because men get injured in industrial accidents! Therefore, equality reigns!" the pooh-poohers reply. There's almost nothing as satisfying as having one's hunches backed up by science. So color me delighted by this new study published in American Political Science Review, which found that, in collaborative group settings, "the time that women spoke was significantly less than their proportional representation—amounting to less than 75 percent of the time that men spoke."

HA. That is just about the truest shit that I have ever heard. I (and, I suspect, pretty much any woman) can access that feeling really quickly and vividly—when you find yourself in conversation with a circle of men and, against your better judgment and all your feminist impulses, you just turtle up. You retire. You forfeit, because their lungs are bigger, they're groomed for assertiveness since birth, and you're groomed to assume that nobody will take you seriously anyway. You wait for a pause in a room of interruptors. Sigh. I do it like crazy, and I am a fucking loudmouth feminist yelling machine.

So it's satisfying to have one's hunches backed up by a study like this: It's not just me failing at feminism, and it's not just men being paternalistic dicks, it's some sort of sinister societal force that shepherds us into those roles. This isn't just teh evil menz (blah blah blah) doing this to us—we are active participants. We are turtlers. Nothing is solved here—no one is to blame and everyone is to blame—but it's comforting, at least, to confirm that it is happening.

And it's not good. According to the study's authors, women contributed to the conversation much more when it was framed as consensus-building rather than a majority-rules vote. And when women's voices were included, the group's conclusions were profoundly different:

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Not this one! bunnies Sep 2012 #1
All the more reasons tama Sep 2012 #2
but I turtle up due to likely consequences zazen Sep 2012 #3
This, especially-- Starry Messenger Sep 2012 #5
Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #9
You are in the wrong place making nasty generalized statements about feminists. nt stevenleser Sep 2012 #12
(Not) TrueBlue has had a pizza delivered. Zorra Sep 2012 #19
LOL! Isn't this forum a place of making generalized statements about men? yeswehavenobananas Dec 2012 #25
You seem to have a mistaken impression of what DU is about. DU is not about engaging right wingers stevenleser Dec 2012 #26
And guess what, Sparky? oh reiki ur so fine Dec 2012 #31
You are attacking a posit that I never made, Library girl. DU mail me from your next incarnation... stevenleser Dec 2012 #32
Female group assertiveness, ethnicity and female/male rations kurt_cagle Sep 2012 #4
I have witnessed this TexasProgresive Sep 2012 #6
Thanks TexasProgresive. Starry Messenger Sep 2012 #7
Well I didn't until I was in listening mode. TexasProgresive Sep 2012 #8
Equality TrueBlue2012 Sep 2012 #10
As the saying goes, ya ain't gotta go home, but you can't stay here. nt stevenleser Sep 2012 #13
Unfortunately, the jury came up 3-3 but this troll has been MIRTED. nt stevenleser Sep 2012 #14
Thanks to MIRt. yardwork Sep 2012 #15
Emilyg, is that you? yardwork Sep 2012 #18
This is why whenever I am in a meeting and there are women not speaking up or being talked over stevenleser Sep 2012 #11
That's good! Often women have something important to contribute. yardwork Sep 2012 #16
I tend to talk less when there are all men in the room kdmorris Sep 2012 #17
I worked in a medium-sized company where most of the professionals and managers were women. Gormy Cuss Sep 2012 #20
"They're groomed for assertiveness since birth" is true of a lot of men, but not all... YoungDemCA Nov 2012 #21
As a former Union Rep Jasana Nov 2012 #22
That's been my experience too. Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #23
i have taken note sigmasix Nov 2012 #24
I am happy to say that is not the case at my university. Deep13 Dec 2012 #27
I'm speechless around women Eyes of the World Dec 2012 #28
Yes, their lungs are bigger, that one tends to get me; elleng Dec 2012 #29
I've had two different situations in school. no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #30
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