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He loved Big Brother

(1,257 posts)
4. Not good, but whatever keeps us bullying one another, right?
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 09:01 AM
Jun 2012

I don't like infighting and celebrating something that Paul Elam of A Voice For Men is also celebrating.

RadFems have done a lot to further the goals of feminism and they're entitled to believe what the want about the XX chromosome. They are not the problem. They aren't always right, but they are necessary. Stop expecting everyone to be as educated and enlightened without flaws, because nobody is. All women deserve a safe space to define as they see fit. Cis women, WOC, trans women. We all have different goals and histories of oppression, and there is no hierarchy in the feminist groups. This will never resolve itself, and truthfully, I've read enough trans women who agree the pile-on to radfems is counter-productive and destroying a good ally against patriarchy.

Most radfems aren't transphobes. My local chapter focuses on socialism and intersectionality. But lesbians and anybody else have the right to say they prefer whomever as a sexual partner without it being labeled phobia. I can't stand this hateful infighting. Radfems aren't all the same. Some of them do hold fucked up beliefs. Trans women do as well. I am aghast at the highly offensive, vaguely rapey-connotations spouted as "cotton ceiling" baloney. That's a debacle and a half, but I am not expecting trans women and myself to part ways as feminists because we can't seem to agree with every single thing the other believes. Even though nobody has apologized for the cotton ceiling offense.

I will not dismiss radfems or trans people's right to identify their gender how they see fit, because I don't really have a problem seeing where all sides are coming from. I don't appreciate the insults from either side, but shutting down any feminist conference is just Orewellian and unproductive. I would expect that all women have the right to identify their place on the wheel of intersectionality, and define a safe space around it as they see fit. Feminists are allies of trans people, but not all cis women and trans women share the same dynamics within the patriarchy. Equality isn't about making sure no one gets their feelings hurt.

When RadFems are eliminated in a fiery rage of fourth-wave self-centeredness, I hope we can all realize that driving them away didn't do a thing to help fight against the real enemy, patriarchy, or help with securing solutions to our problems in that area, since apathy toward feminism is becoming so demoralizingly thick you need a breadknife to spread it.

Finally, I hope they can find another venue to meet, free of the pile-on. They're fringe, they're not the enemy, and most of all WOMEN DO NOT DESERVE TO BE SILENCED, PEOPLE. Why are we, as feminists, so butthurt about RadFems that we're doing the MRAsses dirty work FOR them?

Woo-hoo! Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #1
I'm doing backflips of joy right now Catherina Jun 2012 #2
It certainly does. Zorra Jun 2012 #3
Not good, but whatever keeps us bullying one another, right? He loved Big Brother Jun 2012 #4
im torn reading this thread . angelusuk1 Jun 2012 #5
Dear Scott Catherina Jun 2012 #26
thank you , angelusuk1 Jun 2012 #29
Feminism *still* is a fantastic concept Catherina Jun 2012 #30
Many MRA groups are listed as hate groups with the SPLC obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #31
im not ashamed of who I am angelusuk1 Jun 2012 #33
This is a Safe Have Group for feminists of all gemders obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #34
Obamanut, I will stand beside you and echo your concerns. MerryBlooms Jun 2012 #35
well ill make this post my last as it seems my first impressions of this site may have been wrong . angelusuk1 Jun 2012 #37
I don't think your impressions of this site were wrong Catherina Jun 2012 #38
Thank you, Merry obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #44
I'm sure they can find the owner of a field somewhere who won't object Zorra Jun 2012 #6
Well, yeah, that appears to be their goal. JoeyT Jun 2012 #7
All the RadFem blogs I've read say the same thing. Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #8
My God! Vanje Jun 2012 #9
I'm not even sure most cis guys think about theirs that much. Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #11
Unless you've got a hypersexuality problem. Neoma Jun 2012 #12
Lalalalala Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #13
That made me LOL! nt Vanje Jun 2012 #14
You might enjoy this too-- Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #16
I freakin' love this! LadyHawkAZ Jun 2012 #20
I got it off tumblr, it's up to nearly 1200 shares. Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #21
Thank you! n/t LadyHawkAZ Jun 2012 #22
It's perfect Catherina Jun 2012 #27
That is incredible! zappaman Jun 2012 #43
That's easy. Neoma Jun 2012 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #18
You are related to Robert Tilton? Rex Jun 2012 #32
No... Neoma Jun 2012 #36
Same here! Currently they are somewhere in Africa. Rex Jun 2012 #42
It's astounding Catherina Jun 2012 #25
I'm not butthurt. eh? Whisp Jun 2012 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #17
Butthurt... LadyHawkAZ Jun 2012 #19
Thank you! n/t Catherina Jun 2012 #28
I call Bullshit for $200 Alex. Catherina Jun 2012 #24
I have to disagree. LiberalAndProud Jun 2012 #50
bigots do deserve to be silence irrespective of gender. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2012 #59
Bigots are bigots. Period. Fritz Jul 2012 #62
K&R Jamastiene Jun 2012 #23
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #39
yeah...right cyberswede Jun 2012 #40
THAT was your first post here!?! Rex Jun 2012 #41
Welcome to DU! rrneck Jun 2012 #45
Oh. Vanje Jun 2012 #46
I tru to keep good thoughts and rrneck Jun 2012 #48
Pffffffffffft. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #47
Someone is bored obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #49
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #51
"the malignant social cancer it has become"? Catherina Jun 2012 #52
Don't ask that poster his view on reproductive choice. cyberswede Jun 2012 #53
Thanks for finding the confirmation. I read 2 comments there and had enough Catherina Jun 2012 #54
This person has been shown the door. cyberswede Jun 2012 #55
(Breathes sigh of relief) Catherina Jun 2012 #56
Oh man. That forum. Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #57
So are the PPR'd trolls in this thread all the same person or is this thread a magnet for that type? laconicsax Jun 2012 #58
We get a lot of zombies, who knows? Neoma Jun 2012 #60
I don't know Catherina Jun 2012 #61
I think there is a problem with terminology here. The conference is really for Seperatist Feminists stevenleser Jul 2012 #63
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