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iverglas

(38,549 posts)
104. before this happened
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 04:20 PM
Feb 2012
I think before all this happened there were issues with how this group was being hosted and I don't know that re-electing the same hosts for the group is going to solve the problems we have here.


Why can you not ever, not once, say what you mean?

What are these "issues"? If you saw them "before all this happened", why did you not seek to have them addressed then?

Let's call a spade a spade. Why have you colluded in the anti-democratic, non-conforming, illegitimate power grab that has happened in this group? Feel free to answer that question by saying you have not done that.


The hosting that was done before this happened was:

- I pinned a post at the top of the board asking visitors to notice where they were and to read and adhere to the SoP, and asking members to remind visitors to do that if needed

- Neoma wrote a post expressing her personal feelings (entitled "Breathe&quot and locked it to replies, and pinned it at the top of the board; I thought the pinning was inappropriate since her personal feelings were not those of the hosts, let alone the group, and unpinned it (and PMed her about the reasons)

- redqueen resigned, so Neoma rose to the top of the host list from the random order in which co-hosts had been entered

- the 4 co-hosts discussed the possible banning of three very obvious disruptive intruders last Tuesday; I believe two were banned from posting here as a result of that discussion

- Neoma removed me as co-host and banned me from posting in the group forum

- another moderator eventually removed the posting ban

- Neoma was asked to appoint redqueen as co-host again and then resign along with all the other co-hosts but redqueen, so redqueen would again be host (that having been the very clear original choice) and the original co-hosts (again, chosen after lengthy discussion) would be reappointed, in a different order

- Neoma disclosed PMs between herself and other co-hosts and gave unnamed other posters access to the site where the co-hosts had discussed the problems of Tuesday night involving the disruptive posters and the banning issue, without asking the permission of the other people involved or even informing them of what she had done

- Neoma refused to resign and pinned another vanity post at the top of the board announcing her intentions for the forum, did not reply to any messages addressed to her in that thread, and has now locked it to further comment


Where is Neoma? Hosting? I'm not seeing any evidence of it. Does someone want to let us know who holds her proxy now?


The host/co-host roster should be returned to EXACTLY what it was before redqueen's unfortunate resignation, unless any of that group of co-hosts does not wish to be reappointed.


I think it's important that a host be a feminist but I think it might be equally important that they not be so invested in the feminism that it keeps them from looking at things objectively or fairly (if that makes sense)


No, it doesn't make any sense. It is obviously an attempt to tailor words to keep redqueen out of the host position (and the other co-hosts out of those positions). It failed.

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I don't know that I am "involved" to the proper extent.... PassingFair Feb 2012 #1
I agree completely with this post wildflower Feb 2012 #3
thank you wildflower boston bean Feb 2012 #6
Thank you passingfair boston bean Feb 2012 #5
I read here more than post MuseRider Feb 2012 #15
Thank you muserider boston bean Feb 2012 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author justiceischeap Feb 2012 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author boston bean Feb 2012 #4
Okay.. Texasgal Feb 2012 #7
Thank you Texasgal! boston bean Feb 2012 #10
Just to clarify wildflower Feb 2012 #8
okay, thank you wildflower. boston bean Feb 2012 #9
Thank you for doing this wildflower Feb 2012 #13
Thanks again, wildflower. I agree. boston bean Feb 2012 #16
No, there are NOT 3 other spots. I vote we leave it at exactly those two for now. Remember Me Feb 2012 #38
redqueen host, seabeyond 2nd seabeyond Feb 2012 #11
No, seabeyond. See my other post just now Remember Me Feb 2012 #39
YES on redqueen host and seybayond 2nd Remember Me Feb 2012 #54
Can you please clarify? Lisa D Feb 2012 #12
list as many as you want boston bean Feb 2012 #14
Personally I think we should wait The empressof all Feb 2012 #17
I disagree. boston bean Feb 2012 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Feb 2012 #27
She has been accused of hostage taking and stealing kdmorris Feb 2012 #28
who accused her of hostage taking and stealing? Remember Me Feb 2012 #55
Here: kdmorris Feb 2012 #94
In context, Remember Me Feb 2012 #98
Fair enough kdmorris Feb 2012 #101
seabeyond, please let the election take place here. boston bean Feb 2012 #33
I'd just like to state the following justiceischeap Feb 2012 #20
I disagree. boston bean Feb 2012 #21
What exactly do you disagree with? justiceischeap Feb 2012 #24
no, that a non feminist should run this group. boston bean Feb 2012 #25
That's not at all what I said justiceischeap Feb 2012 #30
please pm me if you want to explore this more deeply. boston bean Feb 2012 #31
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #37
Hey now The Straight Story Feb 2012 #64
I think your feelings aren't incompatible with a vote wildflower Feb 2012 #26
before this happened iverglas Feb 2012 #104
thank you. i concur. Scout Feb 2012 #142
I have no problem with your nominations but I also don't see an immediate need to do it now maddezmom Feb 2012 #22
I disagree. boston bean Feb 2012 #23
but some do see a reason to wait and if you going to insist on a vote now maddezmom Feb 2012 #34
I totally agree with Boston Bean -- Remember Me Feb 2012 #41
I think it's going to take more than the vote to get things back to normal maddezmom Feb 2012 #48
Yes it will. Remember Me Feb 2012 #53
And calls to vote now are an attempt to rush through a new main host when the current one is fine Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #50
Oh, please Remember Me Feb 2012 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author kdmorris Feb 2012 #29
Thank you kdmorris. boston bean Feb 2012 #32
If people insist on continuing with this The empressof all Feb 2012 #35
^_^ This. nt justiceischeap Feb 2012 #36
I agree. Lisa D Feb 2012 #40
Those of us who are regulars DO have an understanding. Remember Me Feb 2012 #42
I have read here daily since the group started The empressof all Feb 2012 #44
I wish someone would share those issues of not feeling comfortable here, in this group. redqueen Feb 2012 #49
I feel uncomfortable when someone implies people aren't regulars justiceischeap Feb 2012 #56
Regular participants are just that. redqueen Feb 2012 #66
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? iverglas Feb 2012 #105
Redqueen: Here's an example for you justiceischeap Feb 2012 #109
No answers? iverglas Feb 2012 #110
Actually there were answers, PM'd to Redqueen. n/t justiceischeap Feb 2012 #112
well fuck that noise, eh? iverglas Feb 2012 #114
It's in reply to Redqueen's question justiceischeap Feb 2012 #116
I've used the word 'regulars' and I don't act as though I own the group... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #171
They have over and over again The empressof all Feb 2012 #58
That is the only issue that seemed to be routinely referred to redqueen Feb 2012 #69
There are trolls showing up in every group The empressof all Feb 2012 #76
I'll check the thread views in the BOG and get back to you. redqueen Feb 2012 #87
Please understand I say this trying to be helpful The empressof all Feb 2012 #102
I have to agree with this statement. justiceischeap Feb 2012 #103
I'm not saying "yeah but"... redqueen Feb 2012 #108
I'm not denying there is a problem. redqueen Feb 2012 #106
The problem is that people feel uncomfortable The empressof all Feb 2012 #113
I feel extremely uncomfortable with a lead host that boston bean Feb 2012 #160
I feel uncomfortable that there seems to be a concerted effort redqueen Feb 2012 #179
I have also voiced that I did not feel comfortable here. TriMera Feb 2012 #68
What more is there? The trolls? redqueen Feb 2012 #73
I did not say anything about the thread title TriMera Feb 2012 #79
The trolls used very subtle slights. redqueen Feb 2012 #84
"and the "lispy queen" comment was said "affectionately" mtnester Feb 2012 #146
Are we claiming that this kind of comment is bullying, redqueen Feb 2012 #174
NO, I am claiming that saying it was said affectionately is a PANTLOAD mtnester Feb 2012 #186
You're cursing at me and accusing me of spin and denial. redqueen Feb 2012 #187
Get a mirror, use it mtnester Feb 2012 #188
Well,I haven't read here daily and I DO have a clue -- a very good one Remember Me Feb 2012 #60
Actually, I should amend my statement Remember Me Feb 2012 #78
i agree. i also what to know what is the accountability process La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #65
why? why do you want to know this? iverglas Feb 2012 #107
I think JustAnotherGen Feb 2012 #43
ok Vanje Feb 2012 #45
No thank you The empressof all Feb 2012 #47
Very well then..... Vanje Feb 2012 #159
I propose that we wait. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #46
I support this idea and would support you handling the vote process maddezmom Feb 2012 #51
I don't suppor it. Remember Me Feb 2012 #59
okay n/t maddezmom Feb 2012 #62
I don't support it either n/t Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #67
okay n/t maddezmom Feb 2012 #71
I don't support it either. nt PassingFair Feb 2012 #81
I would support that as well mtnester Feb 2012 #147
The current host -- WHERE THE HELL IS SHE??? -- nowhere to be seen except when Remember Me Feb 2012 #57
I want hosts who can look beyond their own personal allegiances and facilitate discussion. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #70
You GOTTA be kidding me Remember Me Feb 2012 #74
I assure you, it's none of that. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #83
by the bar you have set, you might not be the best person suited for the job either.. boston bean Feb 2012 #80
I stated in this thread that I have no interest in hosting here. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #88
That is exactly what I am saying, yet someone wants to run a new election boston bean Feb 2012 #91
I suggested that as part of a disagreement with your call for an election. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #93
I have plenty of time, that is why I volunteered. boston bean Feb 2012 #99
I thought that I've volunteered for this, by just posting this, is there something wrong with me? boston bean Feb 2012 #61
yes. you have clear allegiances here that makes you a very impartial person La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #72
really lioness? boston bean Feb 2012 #75
ok. i dont think you'll deliberately screw up tallying at all. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #77
I do think Neoma should go as host, that much is clear! boston bean Feb 2012 #85
i am opposed to doing anything this minute La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #86
Neoma is an unelected lead host boston bean Feb 2012 #96
why is it too fast? no one has given a good reason for that Remember Me Feb 2012 #151
No, but not everyone thinks we've agreed to throw out the current hosts. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #90
No, it is an election thread. boston bean Feb 2012 #92
I'm deleted this Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #95
ah no, are you? boston bean Feb 2012 #97
I support this. Lisa D Feb 2012 #117
I propose that Remember Me Feb 2012 #149
i do not support this idea. Scout Feb 2012 #150
My vote and a comment... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #63
Boy, do I agree with that, Violet Remember Me Feb 2012 #82
If they're subscribed members of the group and they haven't been blocked, they should get a vote.n/t Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #89
Totally disagree Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #111
I truly hope that the objections about having this election now v a week from now boston bean Feb 2012 #118
Someone suggested having a members' only vote Lisa D Feb 2012 #119
I suppose they will be decided in this thread. boston bean Feb 2012 #120
So if a majority votes for two hosts, Lisa D Feb 2012 #122
A majority votes for lead host boston bean Feb 2012 #129
Good point. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #121
Wow. We've gained over 30 new subscribers since this started. redqueen Feb 2012 #123
So rolling back to before it started is probably in order, right? n/t Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #125
I wouldn't say that. redqueen Feb 2012 #126
if you do not participate in the group. and you are not a subscriber before today seabeyond Feb 2012 #127
I would definitely say that is beneficial. boston bean Feb 2012 #128
It would certainly help dispel Lisa D Feb 2012 #124
You seem intent on making this whole thing difficult Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #130
No, I'm intent on solving the problem in a way that will dispel any hint that the hosting selection Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #133
redqueen, do you cross your heart, hope to cry, stick a needle in your seabeyond Feb 2012 #134
That's the sweetest thing I've seen posted in this group all day. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #135
That was cute, wasn't it! boston bean Feb 2012 #137
actually, with boys was.... tap your belly button with your toe.... seabeyond Feb 2012 #139
Neoma needs a time out first Gormy. boston bean Feb 2012 #136
Neoma seems to be taking a timeout. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #145
No, that is not what I meant boston bean Feb 2012 #148
No. Yr deliberately trying to complicate matters Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #138
not to mention it was merely a month ago, or less, we already had this election. i have heard NO seabeyond Feb 2012 #141
Your first sentence is not supported by the evidence. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #144
I'm afraid it is Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #157
that's exactly what is happening. Scout Feb 2012 #143
No, because there've been 30 new subscriptions today Remember Me Feb 2012 #152
Got it! boston bean Feb 2012 #140
redqueen, seabeyond and iverglas as hosts n/t Scout Feb 2012 #100
Thank you scout! boston bean Feb 2012 #132
Lead host: redqueen. Co-host: seabeyond. BlueIris Feb 2012 #115
Thank you BlueIris. boston bean Feb 2012 #131
My opinion and vote laconicsax Feb 2012 #153
This message was self-deleted by its author boston bean Feb 2012 #158
I came to this position yesterday, and I am not averse to it. boston bean Feb 2012 #161
That's not the only recourse -- Skinner can remove a host Remember Me Feb 2012 #167
I have witnessed this with other groups boston bean Feb 2012 #169
The election process has already begun. Lisa D Feb 2012 #162
That is a good point. boston bean Feb 2012 #163
There's no reason why the existing votes can't be reconciled. laconicsax Feb 2012 #164
Laconicsax, neoma will not resign, she has stated that. boston bean Feb 2012 #165
Then we should have those as separate elections. laconicsax Feb 2012 #166
There is no other way to remove a rogue host. boston bean Feb 2012 #168
You don't need to elect a whole new set to remove one. laconicsax Feb 2012 #170
Lac, start a thread about ousting her. boston bean Feb 2012 #177
Has Neoma been in touch with any of you hosts? Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #172
No, she has not contacted me. redqueen Feb 2012 #180
Whether it "should" or not Ms. Toad Feb 2012 #176
This is important: whoever becomes hosts -- the software trumps your other Remember Me Feb 2012 #178
My point was that hosts can choose to override that hierarchy by not taking unilateral action. laconicsax Feb 2012 #189
It would be nice - Ms. Toad Feb 2012 #190
I think I already voted, but I'll do it again Remember Me Feb 2012 #154
Lead host: redqueen. Co-host: seabeyond. noamnety Feb 2012 #155
Thank you noamnety! boston bean Feb 2012 #156
My vote is Neoma mtnester Feb 2012 #173
I've got my nomination for co-host here... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #175
Redqueen. JTFrog Feb 2012 #181
i agree with your whole post, and love seeing you in here seabeyond Feb 2012 #183
I'll vouch for your continued interest and participation in feminist discussions, JTFrog... redqueen Feb 2012 #185
I've missed 98% of what's gone on the past week, CrispyQ Feb 2012 #182
good seeing you again. and yes, you have been very busy with RL. that happens. seabeyond Feb 2012 #184
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