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Squinch

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17. A better question would be do people have to verbalize that they are oppressed to be oppressed:
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 04:35 PM
Mar 2014

And the answer to that is no.

Though these women SAY they are not oppressed, how do they actually feel and what would they say if there were no possibility of reprisals?

Jaycee Dugard and Elizabeth Smart, when they were first approached by law enforcement, defended their kidnappers, but I think we could pretty safely say both were oppressed during their imprisonments.

For others, they have never experienced life without oppression and don't know what that means. That they do not wish for what they never had does not exclude the fact that they are oppressed. It could even be seen as further evidence of the oppression they have experienced. Upon manumission, some percentage of slaves opted to continue to serve the people who had owned them. They knew no other life. And yet, I don't think any of us would say their enslavement was not oppression.

I find the musings that oppression can't really happen to non-European women to be disturbing.

Sorry. I just don't see how a niqab or burqa, being required to hide everything but your eyes Squinch Mar 2014 #1
Both extremes in this caters to either dressing to either attract and excite men or to prevent Nika Mar 2014 #4
They're not always required. Deep13 Mar 2014 #5
A necktie or a pair of pumps or a hajib is not comparable to being required to cover every Squinch Mar 2014 #8
Personally, I agree with you... Deep13 Mar 2014 #10
I don't accept that it is "usually" other women enforcing pathological levels of modesty. I Squinch Mar 2014 #11
Maybe. But people typically internalize the norms of their cultures. Deep13 Mar 2014 #12
Yes, and in those cultures, the norms are oppressive to women. Squinch Mar 2014 #13
Well, it's most cultures, but they differ by degree and nature. Deep13 Mar 2014 #14
A better question would be do people have to verbalize that they are oppressed to be oppressed: Squinch Mar 2014 #17
Not suggesting that non-Europeans can't be oppressed. Deep13 Mar 2014 #18
I am not suggesting coercing women to uncover their heads. I am suggesting NOT coercing them Squinch Mar 2014 #19
I never hear feminists telling women what to wear siligut Mar 2014 #2
perhaps, but isn't that an ad hominem attack? Deep13 Mar 2014 #6
From her blog: siligut Mar 2014 #7
Well, ad hominem means you are attacking the person, not the argument. Deep13 Mar 2014 #9
Good Conversation starter libodem Mar 2014 #3
The cartoon is a cartoon... Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #15
Yes, it is as though S.E. Cupp was assigned to write about feminism siligut Mar 2014 #16
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