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Gormy Cuss

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15. The cartoon is a cartoon...
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 11:15 AM
Mar 2014

Last edited Mon Mar 3, 2014, 01:36 PM - Edit history (1)

that is, a caricature rather than an actual observation. The author apparently was drawing on her own youthful misguided view that as a feminist she should tell other individual women how to dress. The feminist discussion is a broader one of whether the cultural norm is benign or encourages gender inequality. When women are told that they must dress modestly and there is no similar standard for the men of that culture, it's a cultural norm that deserves to be questioned especially when the dress code is so extreme that it causes women to be disadvantaged. Women required by their culture or government to wear burquas or niqabs in public, both completely neutralizing their faces and their individuality, are clearly oppressed even if they believe that it is a free choice to wear such garments. If a woman will be beaten, jailed, or killed for showing her face or hair in public, it's a problem.

The cartoon also seems to use a topless woman as a proxy for something else. I'm guessing here that the author doesn't actually have experience telling a topless woman on the beach that she was oppressing other women and I can't imagine she's encountered many women dressed that way in other venues. So instead it seems to be an attempt to reduce an anti-porn argument to a clothing issue.
If that's the case, it's sadly an oversimplification. If instead the author is using the topless woman as a proxy for women dressing in ways that are uncomfortable or that enhance objectification, I'd need to see a few more words to understand what her perspective is before addressing that.

Sorry. I just don't see how a niqab or burqa, being required to hide everything but your eyes Squinch Mar 2014 #1
Both extremes in this caters to either dressing to either attract and excite men or to prevent Nika Mar 2014 #4
They're not always required. Deep13 Mar 2014 #5
A necktie or a pair of pumps or a hajib is not comparable to being required to cover every Squinch Mar 2014 #8
Personally, I agree with you... Deep13 Mar 2014 #10
I don't accept that it is "usually" other women enforcing pathological levels of modesty. I Squinch Mar 2014 #11
Maybe. But people typically internalize the norms of their cultures. Deep13 Mar 2014 #12
Yes, and in those cultures, the norms are oppressive to women. Squinch Mar 2014 #13
Well, it's most cultures, but they differ by degree and nature. Deep13 Mar 2014 #14
A better question would be do people have to verbalize that they are oppressed to be oppressed: Squinch Mar 2014 #17
Not suggesting that non-Europeans can't be oppressed. Deep13 Mar 2014 #18
I am not suggesting coercing women to uncover their heads. I am suggesting NOT coercing them Squinch Mar 2014 #19
I never hear feminists telling women what to wear siligut Mar 2014 #2
perhaps, but isn't that an ad hominem attack? Deep13 Mar 2014 #6
From her blog: siligut Mar 2014 #7
Well, ad hominem means you are attacking the person, not the argument. Deep13 Mar 2014 #9
Good Conversation starter libodem Mar 2014 #3
The cartoon is a cartoon... Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #15
Yes, it is as though S.E. Cupp was assigned to write about feminism siligut Mar 2014 #16
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