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Deep13

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14. Well, it's most cultures, but they differ by degree and nature.

Reply to Squinch (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 10:45 PM

Mar 2014

So, do women have to feel that they are oppressed to be oppressed? Or is it up to outsiders to point it out to them? I am reminded of Spivak's often-repeated remark about white men saving brown women from brown men. Or maybe I am just over-compensating as a reaction to decades of Orientalism. Still, I wonder how useful the Marxist economic narrative of oppression really is in the context of gender, especially in non-European societies.

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cartoon: women's clothing and feminism [View all] Deep13 Mar 2014 OP

Sorry. I just don't see how a niqab or burqa, being required to hide everything but your eyes Squinch Mar 2014 #1

Both extremes in this caters to either dressing to either attract and excite men or to prevent Nika Mar 2014 #4

They're not always required. Deep13 Mar 2014 #5

A necktie or a pair of pumps or a hajib is not comparable to being required to cover every Squinch Mar 2014 #8

Personally, I agree with you... Deep13 Mar 2014 #10

I don't accept that it is "usually" other women enforcing pathological levels of modesty. I Squinch Mar 2014 #11

Maybe. But people typically internalize the norms of their cultures. Deep13 Mar 2014 #12

Yes, and in those cultures, the norms are oppressive to women. Squinch Mar 2014 #13

Well, it's most cultures, but they differ by degree and nature. Deep13 Mar 2014 #14

A better question would be do people have to verbalize that they are oppressed to be oppressed: Squinch Mar 2014 #17

Not suggesting that non-Europeans can't be oppressed. Deep13 Mar 2014 #18

I am not suggesting coercing women to uncover their heads. I am suggesting NOT coercing them Squinch Mar 2014 #19

I never hear feminists telling women what to wear siligut Mar 2014 #2

perhaps, but isn't that an ad hominem attack? Deep13 Mar 2014 #6

From her blog: siligut Mar 2014 #7

Well, ad hominem means you are attacking the person, not the argument. Deep13 Mar 2014 #9

Good Conversation starter libodem Mar 2014 #3

The cartoon is a cartoon... Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #15

Yes, it is as though S.E. Cupp was assigned to write about feminism siligut Mar 2014 #16