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Squinch

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11. I don't accept that it is "usually" other women enforcing pathological levels of modesty. I
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 08:23 PM
Mar 2014

do understand that other women DO enforce them, but I think fathers and brothers do as much if not more, or at least more effectively (think honor killings.)

And, I believe if you go back one step and ask, "why would a mother require that of her daughter when she has experienced it herself" you will see that it is because it is the best way for the mother to keep her daughter safe and provided for in a culture where the daughter's only hope for safety and sustenance is if she attracts a husband who will give her those things. So the reason for the mothers' insistence on their daughters' modesty is to appease prospective husbands.

Once again, in those cultures, we are back to the women being forced to live within the confines that the men, and ultimately not other women, set for them.

Sorry. I just don't see how a niqab or burqa, being required to hide everything but your eyes Squinch Mar 2014 #1
Both extremes in this caters to either dressing to either attract and excite men or to prevent Nika Mar 2014 #4
They're not always required. Deep13 Mar 2014 #5
A necktie or a pair of pumps or a hajib is not comparable to being required to cover every Squinch Mar 2014 #8
Personally, I agree with you... Deep13 Mar 2014 #10
I don't accept that it is "usually" other women enforcing pathological levels of modesty. I Squinch Mar 2014 #11
Maybe. But people typically internalize the norms of their cultures. Deep13 Mar 2014 #12
Yes, and in those cultures, the norms are oppressive to women. Squinch Mar 2014 #13
Well, it's most cultures, but they differ by degree and nature. Deep13 Mar 2014 #14
A better question would be do people have to verbalize that they are oppressed to be oppressed: Squinch Mar 2014 #17
Not suggesting that non-Europeans can't be oppressed. Deep13 Mar 2014 #18
I am not suggesting coercing women to uncover their heads. I am suggesting NOT coercing them Squinch Mar 2014 #19
I never hear feminists telling women what to wear siligut Mar 2014 #2
perhaps, but isn't that an ad hominem attack? Deep13 Mar 2014 #6
From her blog: siligut Mar 2014 #7
Well, ad hominem means you are attacking the person, not the argument. Deep13 Mar 2014 #9
Good Conversation starter libodem Mar 2014 #3
The cartoon is a cartoon... Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #15
Yes, it is as though S.E. Cupp was assigned to write about feminism siligut Mar 2014 #16
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