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Deep13

(39,156 posts)
10. Personally, I agree with you...
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 07:51 PM
Mar 2014

...while at the same time recognizing my own secular bias. And yes, in some places women are harshly punished for non-compliance with pretty draconian dress rules. My own feeling is that such coercion is always wrong and that one does not have a right to insist that others follow one's own religious rules, even if everyone is nominally a Suuni Muslim. One thing that is interesting to note, however, is that enforcers of modesty--whether required by the state or just customary--are usually other women, especially the older women in ones own family. The same as true here with mothers and grandmothers teaching daughters to act "lady like," which means modest, deferential, and with learned helplessness. The Saudis are a bit unusual in using male religious extremists to act as morality cops.

Sorry. I just don't see how a niqab or burqa, being required to hide everything but your eyes Squinch Mar 2014 #1
Both extremes in this caters to either dressing to either attract and excite men or to prevent Nika Mar 2014 #4
They're not always required. Deep13 Mar 2014 #5
A necktie or a pair of pumps or a hajib is not comparable to being required to cover every Squinch Mar 2014 #8
Personally, I agree with you... Deep13 Mar 2014 #10
I don't accept that it is "usually" other women enforcing pathological levels of modesty. I Squinch Mar 2014 #11
Maybe. But people typically internalize the norms of their cultures. Deep13 Mar 2014 #12
Yes, and in those cultures, the norms are oppressive to women. Squinch Mar 2014 #13
Well, it's most cultures, but they differ by degree and nature. Deep13 Mar 2014 #14
A better question would be do people have to verbalize that they are oppressed to be oppressed: Squinch Mar 2014 #17
Not suggesting that non-Europeans can't be oppressed. Deep13 Mar 2014 #18
I am not suggesting coercing women to uncover their heads. I am suggesting NOT coercing them Squinch Mar 2014 #19
I never hear feminists telling women what to wear siligut Mar 2014 #2
perhaps, but isn't that an ad hominem attack? Deep13 Mar 2014 #6
From her blog: siligut Mar 2014 #7
Well, ad hominem means you are attacking the person, not the argument. Deep13 Mar 2014 #9
Good Conversation starter libodem Mar 2014 #3
The cartoon is a cartoon... Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #15
Yes, it is as though S.E. Cupp was assigned to write about feminism siligut Mar 2014 #16
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