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Squinch

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8. A necktie or a pair of pumps or a hajib is not comparable to being required to cover every
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 07:38 PM
Mar 2014

part of yourself, including your face so some stranger on the street doesn't beat you with a stick. There is a difference between modesty, even very religious modesty, and the erasing of the identity of women.

I understand that there are women who wear the burqa or niqab who say they do it voluntarily. I doubt it would be the voluntary choice for most of those women if other parts of their lives, like the husbands and fathers and mothers who required it, or the strangers with sticks on the street, were absent. Women in places that don't require them could choose to wear a niqab or burqa as well, but without those people requiring it, even conservative nuns no longer wear those things.

I am sure there will be those who say I am being disrespectful to those who voluntarily wear a burqa or niqab. Maybe I am. I just don't believe that it is a likely choice unless there is strong pressure from cultural forces that do not favor women.

Sorry. I just don't see how a niqab or burqa, being required to hide everything but your eyes Squinch Mar 2014 #1
Both extremes in this caters to either dressing to either attract and excite men or to prevent Nika Mar 2014 #4
They're not always required. Deep13 Mar 2014 #5
A necktie or a pair of pumps or a hajib is not comparable to being required to cover every Squinch Mar 2014 #8
Personally, I agree with you... Deep13 Mar 2014 #10
I don't accept that it is "usually" other women enforcing pathological levels of modesty. I Squinch Mar 2014 #11
Maybe. But people typically internalize the norms of their cultures. Deep13 Mar 2014 #12
Yes, and in those cultures, the norms are oppressive to women. Squinch Mar 2014 #13
Well, it's most cultures, but they differ by degree and nature. Deep13 Mar 2014 #14
A better question would be do people have to verbalize that they are oppressed to be oppressed: Squinch Mar 2014 #17
Not suggesting that non-Europeans can't be oppressed. Deep13 Mar 2014 #18
I am not suggesting coercing women to uncover their heads. I am suggesting NOT coercing them Squinch Mar 2014 #19
I never hear feminists telling women what to wear siligut Mar 2014 #2
perhaps, but isn't that an ad hominem attack? Deep13 Mar 2014 #6
From her blog: siligut Mar 2014 #7
Well, ad hominem means you are attacking the person, not the argument. Deep13 Mar 2014 #9
Good Conversation starter libodem Mar 2014 #3
The cartoon is a cartoon... Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #15
Yes, it is as though S.E. Cupp was assigned to write about feminism siligut Mar 2014 #16
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