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MADem

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35. He made a statement of fact. He didn't click his heels and rub his hands together with glee.

Tue Oct 28, 2014, 02:04 PM

Oct 2014

It may "offend" some people to realize this, but "states' rights" is what ADVANCED the equality issue. The Federal government sat on their DOMAss for years and had absolutely NO interest in advancing equality for anyone.

In fact, had not state after state after state after state exercised their state's particular "right" to practice equality and issue licenses to whomever they damn well pleased, DOMA be dammed, that DOMA law would still be on the books. By now, had no state exercised their "right," laws against equality might have been STRENGTHENED at the federal level, not obviated.

If states' rights are always a bad thing, is is bad that so many states chose to go down the path of equality? Even when DOMA was still on the books?

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Jimmy Carter disappoints on the issue of Texas and gay marriage [View all] theHandpuppet Oct 2014 OP

I know shenmue Oct 2014 #1

He is not wrong about anything--he supports gay marriage and belongs to a church that MADem Oct 2014 #5

He is wrong about it. Behind the Aegis Oct 2014 #6

The right of EVERYONE--gay or straight--to marry is reserved to the whim of voters of any state. MADem Oct 2014 #7

No, it is not! Behind the Aegis Oct 2014 #8

Yes, it is. You need a marriage license to get married, and states--not the federal government-- MADem Oct 2014 #10

You seem to be missing the point. Behind the Aegis Oct 2014 #11

No, I am not missing the point. MADem Oct 2014 #12

I don't owe you an apology, you owe me one. Behind the Aegis Oct 2014 #13

I'm outta here. You're misrepresenting what I said and you want to fight with me. MADem Oct 2014 #14

Carter said: Behind the Aegis Oct 2014 #15

Good - you don't belong here dbackjon Oct 2014 #25

That wasn't the argument that I--or Carter--was making. MADem Oct 2014 #27

What CARTER SAID dbackjon Oct 2014 #30

OK -- then "f-ck state's rights." That's your argument. MADem Oct 2014 #36

Civil Rights should NEVER be restricted by common vote dbackjon Oct 2014 #38

States' rights is a two-edged sword, that is mitigated and sometimes guided by federal intervention. MADem Oct 2014 #40

You are really twisting the notion of "states rights" here. Zenlitened Oct 2014 #42

No, I am not--I am right in line with FREEDOM TO MARRY. MADem Oct 2014 #45

Right. Everyone is "perceiving his words incorrectly" but you. theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #48

Look, I support equality for all and I think Carter does too. MADem Oct 2014 #49

Hiding behind (and, frankly, distorting) Freedom To Marry's strategy... Zenlitened Oct 2014 #53

All I can say is wow. "Antics?" Hectoring and haranguing? MADem Oct 2014 #54

ENOUGH! Behind the Aegis Oct 2014 #55

Self-proclaimed ally insists he knows better... Zenlitened Oct 2014 #59

"This might be an opportunity for allies to practice more listening, less lecturing" Aerows Oct 2014 #56

Thanks. Seemed worth a try. -n/t Zenlitened Oct 2014 #61

I'm impressed at how well you held your temper Aerows Oct 2014 #63

No one is denying that is how things are. Jamastiene Oct 2014 #39

That is not what Carter said. MADem Oct 2014 #43

You mean you agree with Olson when he said this? theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #44

Yes--but the way we got there is through the STATES' RIGHTS approach. MADem Oct 2014 #46

I'm done here. theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #50

None of us are too stupid to understand Aerows Oct 2014 #72

? shenmue Oct 2014 #16

See post 4. It explains a lot. MADem Oct 2014 #17

Okay shenmue Oct 2014 #22

He is in favor of discrimination. dbackjon Oct 2014 #31

He doesn't "believe" anything of the sort. He simply stated a fact. MADem Oct 2014 #34

Enough is ENOUGH! theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #37

The Heritage Foundation did a great job of spreading that story around. MADem Oct 2014 #47

WRONG dbackjon Oct 2014 #24

No he does not. MADem Oct 2014 #28

Jimmy is still an Evangelical....and a very old man VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #2

I think this an issue which is being decided state by state. Currently Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #3

Doesn't change the bigoted nature of the remark. Behind the Aegis Oct 2014 #9

Did Jimmy Carter speak out against same sex marriage or did you hear him say Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #21

Yeah, look how well the states rights argument worked for civil rights and desegregation theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #23

Exactly dbackjon Oct 2014 #26

He said it was up to the states. Which means he supports discrimination dbackjon Oct 2014 #32

THat ALSO means that he doesn't believe that it is a Constitutional Right MNBrewer Oct 2014 #73

Yup! He doesn't believe in the 14th Amendment dbackjon Oct 2014 #74

He said it was up to the states. Which means he supports discrimination dbackjon Oct 2014 #58

I did not hear him say it was okay for Texas to ban gay marriage and he is fine with this. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #60

Direct Quote: dbackjon Oct 2014 #62

That's what he said Aerows Oct 2014 #64

I know dbackjon Oct 2014 #66

The early years? Aerows Oct 2014 #67

"If Texas doesn't want white people to marry black people, that's a right for Zorra Oct 2014 #75

Your source is a right-wing, slanted piece of shit. Learn all about "The Daily Signal" in this MADem Oct 2014 #4

First of all, I apologize for the link to that particular source theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #18

It's not your fault--they do a very good job of covering their roots. MADem Oct 2014 #19

That is exactly what he said dbackjon Oct 2014 #33

He made a statement of fact. He didn't click his heels and rub his hands together with glee. MADem Oct 2014 #35

Apparently, opinions are facts Aerows Oct 2014 #65

You are wrong and Jimmy carter is wrong. Let me repeat that, you are wrong and Jimmy Carter is wrong William769 Oct 2014 #68

Well stated. Aerows Oct 2014 #71

I'm with you there marym625 Oct 2014 #20

When states use their laws to discriminate... Zenlitened Oct 2014 #29

Generally I like Carter, but he is way off here LostOne4Ever Oct 2014 #41

he also said he didn't want the government telling churches who to marry unblock Oct 2014 #51

I don't agree with his statement. bigwillq Oct 2014 #52

Carter is way off base here Aerows Oct 2014 #57

Then he is wrong Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #69

+1 billion Aerows Oct 2014 #70

NO state, no person shall take away someone else's rights, period. As Americans we should be randys1 Oct 2014 #76

Precisely Aerows Oct 2014 #77

I learned a while back that since I am neither Gay or Black/Minority, or a Woman for that matter randys1 Oct 2014 #78

Thank you Aerows Nov 2014 #79