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OnTheOtherHand

(7,621 posts)
33. mmmm
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 10:24 AM
Dec 2011

You seem to have a sense of humor, so I'll go with that. But it isn't so obvious to me why it's "of course" that "anyone who believes the OC story put out by government" are fairly construed as "foxes" and someone who disagrees with it is a "hen."

(I'm not sure what you mean by the "OC story," but presumably something like this: 19 men hijacked planes and flew three of them into buildings, two of which collapsed from direct and indirect damage rather than controlled demolition, and no one in the U.S. government actively planned the attacks or deliberately acted to permit them. It seems to me that every element of that story, and then some, should be subject to discussion.)

I don't think the politics here are all that complicated. People tend to have a prevailing opinion orientation (fox/hen?!). Separately, people tend to vary in their propensity for open discussion versus tribalism. For instance, see greyl's post above. I think Bolo's response to greyl makes a lot of sense, but I also think all three of us agree that it's important to discuss issues on the merits -- not just to take sides based on our team membership. People who seem interested in discussing issues on the merits tend to be more widely respected than people who seem mostly interested in fanning flames, flinging poo, keeping score, or whatever, regardless of which side they are on.

spooked911 is a great example. He disagrees so utterly with many, many of the posters here -- even many whom you might construe as on the same side -- that he and his critics, including me, sometimes speculated out loud about what the disagreements were 'really' about. Nevertheless, it's always apparent that spooked takes the issues seriously, is willing to talk seriously about them, and isn't predisposed to attack people simply for disagreeing. That's why he had (still has, I think) so much support as a host.

As for what it takes to get banned around here, that might be complicated; in general, it isn't all that easy, but do read the terms of service (and the comments by Bolo and Joe). DU is not intended to be a bastion of "free speech" in the abstract, but neither does it enforce mindless conformity or subservience to the admins.

We did have Spooked as a host. He was above me in the hierarchy. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #1
Bolo, I think you will make a good host. Grateful for Hope Dec 2011 #2
Thank you, and I agree that a lot of others would as well. n/t Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #3
Agreed Ohio Joe Dec 2011 #4
I don't think there is a hierarchy, Bolo. Grateful for Hope Dec 2011 #5
There is. We're all above or below someone. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #7
Ok. I thought it was only the top host who could do all these things. Grateful for Hope Dec 2011 #9
But what hierarchy? eomer Dec 2011 #49
Right, that's what I was saying. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #50
Spooked911 is tombstoned. greyl Dec 2011 #6
Ah. That would explain that. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #8
Tombstoned? zappaman Dec 2011 #10
Spooked being tomb stoned is very disappointing LARED Dec 2011 #13
DU will be a worse place without Spooked911 cpwm17 Dec 2011 #14
Spooked was nuts BeFree Dec 2011 #18
What is Bushco? zappaman Dec 2011 #19
Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #20
Discuss? Ohio Joe Dec 2011 #21
It's a shame your post below was hidden because of some apparently offensive personal references. Grateful for Hope Dec 2011 #22
rewinding to December 17th OnTheOtherHand Dec 2011 #24
"I haven't seen Lithos and undergroundrailroad express many opinions." Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #29
good point OnTheOtherHand Dec 2011 #31
There is no DU rule against being nuts jberryhill Dec 2011 #34
It would be a lonely place if there were Ohio Joe Dec 2011 #35
for what it's worth... OnTheOtherHand Dec 2011 #23
Tombstoning seems excessive for one post cpwm17 Dec 2011 #25
yup, it's a minefield OnTheOtherHand Dec 2011 #32
Please help this ol gal to understand the rules of engagement on this thread AlwaysQuestion Dec 2011 #26
Well... Ohio Joe Dec 2011 #27
tombstone refers to the old DU policy of using a tombstone graphic on the profile page of banned Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #28
Spooked And DefectandPretend? jberryhill Dec 2011 #30
mmmm OnTheOtherHand Dec 2011 #33
Maybe I'm in for trouble (wouldn't be the first time) but here goes anyway........... AlwaysQuestion Dec 2011 #40
a few quick thoughts about that OnTheOtherHand Dec 2011 #41
Perhaps you can teach me to be more succinct, cuz here I go again.........at length :[ AlwaysQuestion Dec 2011 #44
oh, yeah, I'm all about succinct :) OnTheOtherHand Dec 2011 #48
For what it's worth Grateful for Hope Dec 2011 #36
And for me personally, that's very mild RP support Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #37
I suspect both bannings were done with some background research. Grateful for Hope Dec 2011 #43
Bolo Grateful for Hope Dec 2011 #47
as long as we're going here... OnTheOtherHand Dec 2011 #38
Oh, yes, I forgot he had posted that video of Carl Levin. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #39
Thanks for digging up the historical thread. Grateful for Hope Dec 2011 #42
Hi Grateful AlwaysQuestion Dec 2011 #45
Tombstone does usually mean forever. Grateful for Hope Dec 2011 #46
Blocking PM's.? Grateful for Hope Jan 2012 #53
What? Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #54
Perhaps, Bolo. Grateful for Hope Jan 2012 #55
You still can't send me PM's? Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #56
Just sent you one. Seems it was a short-lived glitch. Grateful for Hope Jan 2012 #57
Good deal! n/t Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #58
I had added based on when people more or less responded Lithos Dec 2011 #11
Thanks for weighing in, Lithos. Grateful for Hope Dec 2011 #12
I responded to you Ghost in the Machine Dec 2011 #15
I had also responded. Grateful for Hope Dec 2011 #16
Could be a software glitch, who knows? Ghost in the Machine Dec 2011 #17
The list is in lock step mrarundale Jan 2012 #51
I do think eomer was an excellent addition. Grateful for Hope Jan 2012 #52
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