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William Seger

(11,031 posts)
27. Good grief. You didn't even read your own source
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 08:35 PM
Oct 2014

LOL, I guess you missed the meaning of the word "ERROR" in the title"ERROR: Seismic Spikes Preceded the Towers' Collapses":

Bollyn's assertions that "seismic waves peaked before the towers hit the ground" and that the ground-shaking energy was "many times more powerful" than the Towers' stored gravitational energy, though interwoven with quotations of scientists, are neither supported by those scientists nor an examination of the events. Consider first the sequence of the waves recorded by the Palisades station.

As the video and photographic evidence shows, the Towers exploded into expanding clouds of rubble that were about 400 feet from top to bottom by the time they reached the ground. Those rubble clouds contained virtually all of the mass of the Towers -- thousands of tons of rubble falling from as high as 1000 feet. That could certainly be expected to produce pronounced seismic waves.

In fact the seismic evidence from the Palisades station comports well with the sequence of destruction evident in photographs and videos: each Tower was consumed by a wave of destruction that started near the crash zone and moved downward as it generated an expanding cloud of rubble. It took about ten seconds for the bottom of this cloud to reach the ground and another eight seconds for its top to reach the ground. Likewise the seismic records show small disturbances lasting for about ten seconds, followed by large spikes lasting for about eight seconds.

There appears to be no basis for the claim that the large spikes preceded the "collapses", nor that the energy indicated by those spikes was more than could be accounted for by the approximately 110 megawatt-hours of gravitational energy stored in the elevated mass of each Tower. And there is strong evidence contradicting the idea that the seismic spikes indicated underground explosions including:

  • There is no support in the large body of photographic and video collapse evidence for the idea of powerful explosions in the Towers' basements at the onset of the collapses. Instead the evidence shows waves of destruction proceeding methodically downward from the crash zones to the ground.
  • Underground explosions would have produced strong P waves, but the seismic stations registered only strong S waves. P waves oscillate horizontally -- parallel to the direction of travel; whereas S waves oscillate vertically -- perpendicular to the direction of travel.


Now, we'll see how much intellectual honesty you have.
Thanks for posting this newfie11 Oct 2014 #1
" I hope people investigate before blowing this info off" William Seger Oct 2014 #2
Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #3
you're the one bought the BS! wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #5
I did investigate and am now blowing this bullshit off. zappaman Oct 2014 #4
LOL, OK, nt Logical Oct 2014 #35
This is my first trip to the CS group. zeemike Oct 2014 #6
Thank you zeemike. wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #7
Yes I have been checking some of them out. zeemike Oct 2014 #8
they've been counting on that. wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #9
The truth is that we all see the same thing. zeemike Oct 2014 #10
exactly! well said....n/t wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #11
Both towers collapsed from the aircraft impact zones cpwm17 Oct 2014 #14
Do you believe Caretha Oct 2014 #19
Do you believe in "cause and effect?" William Seger Oct 2014 #23
That response Caretha Oct 2014 #24
"they heard explosions long before the buildings fell" William Seger Oct 2014 #25
Now that's a lie Caretha Oct 2014 #26
Good grief. You didn't even read your own source William Seger Oct 2014 #27
Oh now the truth movement is interested in credentials? AZCat Oct 2014 #32
the truth movement is yes! wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #38
that is totally fucking ridiculous! wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #28
The undamaged part of the towers below cpwm17 Oct 2014 #29
"No explosives were heard during the collapse. That's a fact." wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #30
No explosives were heard in any of the recordings in any collapse cpwm17 Oct 2014 #31
the video I posted proves explosives were heard...and... wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #33
many people heard explosions..... wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #34
It's not just that some can't think about what might have really happened... nationalize the fed Oct 2014 #12
Orwellian indeed. zeemike Oct 2014 #13
"and running away from actual debate" William Seger Oct 2014 #15
Blah Blah nationalize the fed Oct 2014 #16
So, asking questions and ignoring answers is your idea of a "debate?" William Seger Oct 2014 #17
Just because you're terribly impressed with yourself nationalize the fed Oct 2014 #21
Suit yourself William Seger Oct 2014 #22
If you had evidence, you'd be talking about it. nt greyl Oct 2014 #18
And what a shock it is no one has come out and leaked any of this conspiracy. Nt Logical Dec 2014 #54
This is an excellent documentary. Thx for posting. nationalize the fed Oct 2014 #20
You honestly are so off base that I think you will believe.... Logical Oct 2014 #36
you really should dismount that high horse... wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #37
How do the deniers explain WTC tower 7? Quantess Nov 2014 #39
The deniers explain it as a controlled demolition William Seger Nov 2014 #40
wrong! wildbilln864 Nov 2014 #41
The singular purpose of the "truth movement" is to deny the "official story" William Seger Nov 2014 #44
Some people don't believe believe in fairy tales gyroscope Nov 2014 #45
You want to go there? Do you have an explanation Quantess Dec 2014 #50
So, you deny the "official story" William Seger Dec 2014 #52
Yet you swallow whole the "official story" even though YOU don't know what it is nationalize the fed Dec 2014 #53
Calling bullshit on controlled demolition bullshit William Seger Dec 2014 #55
obviously over your head Seger... wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #56
"Path of most resistance" - that's good. AZCat Dec 2014 #57
do you not understand the meaning of it AZ? wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #58
Oh I know what you're trying to convey. AZCat Dec 2014 #59
explain why/how it's amusing please? wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #60
Except the explosions were not silent gyroscope Nov 2014 #42
Oh yeah, the magical delayed-action explosives William Seger Nov 2014 #46
What are you babbling about? gyroscope Nov 2014 #48
"sounds like incoherent ramblings of a mad man" William Seger Nov 2014 #49
You are making the guy work hard for his money. Quantess Dec 2014 #51
Magical fire! gyroscope Nov 2014 #43
If you work in a building designed like WTC 7 William Seger Nov 2014 #47
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