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cpwm17

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11. You need to do better than that to support your complicated conspiracy

Sun Dec 25, 2011, 05:50 PM

Dec 2011

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The first video appears fake. Regardless, like in many fires there were sounds that were loud from close range. There are many items that can potentially sound explosive in fires. When the planes hit, some of the elevators slammed to the basement which sounded loud from close range. The jumpers made a loud sound when they hit the ground. There are no explosives heard during any of the buildings’ collapses.

The second video has nothing to do with anything. Place a 25lb weight on your foot: what do you feel? - probably not much. Now drop the same weight from ceiling height. Now what do you feel? OK, don’t do it. You’d regret it. The force on your foot when the weight is dropped is many times the force when the weight is placed.

Those buildings weren’t designed to withstand any force that is many times the normal force of the floors above. That would make them very expensive to build, and it would leave less room for the occupants. Once the collapse started, there was no way the building underneath could stop it.

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What doesn't add-up for me [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 OP

the first two questions are wrong tiny elvis Dec 2011 #1

"condemned as speculative by those who ask for it" Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #2

here is the thing OnTheOtherHand Dec 2011 #3

a muddle tiny elvis Dec 2011 #4

please pay attention OnTheOtherHand Dec 2011 #5

Here's the thing! wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #6

"Mere assumptions based on opinion." zappaman Dec 2011 #7

One can only go by what truthers write. cpwm17 Dec 2011 #8

since anti-truthers don't want to accept the possibility of CD then I expect this is another ... wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #9

A faked explosion in one video and a poison-the-well inadequate comparison in the other Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #10

what faked explosion bolo? wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #12

you're the one goes no where! wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #15

I don't assume that's a faked explosion. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #86

It is. When the video came out originally, all the sound in it was mono but the explosion Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #91

I didn't know about the alleged edits in the video. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #92

You need to do better than that to support your complicated conspiracy cpwm17 Dec 2011 #11

BS wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #14

It doesn't matter if it's fake or not cpwm17 Dec 2011 #17

never ass/u/me anything! wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #18

Any distance that is close enough to video the collapse cpwm17 Dec 2011 #21

You moved goals agreed! wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #22

I've been consistent here cpwm17 Dec 2011 #25

"non-truthers"! wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #31

You've got nothing cpwm17 Dec 2011 #34

you have debunked nothing! wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #41

An explosive six hours before 7 fell down was meant to bring it down? Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #42

Opinion is not evidence! None of us have any evidence for anything! wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #45

Hearing a fake explosion in stereo and then later in mono is not opinion. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #46

which of the two times you heard the... wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #49

I first heard it in stereo. I later heard it in mono. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #52

and that proves they're both faked? wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #54

Or maybe Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #55

maybe, and... wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #57

I have my own speculations. zappaman Dec 2011 #48

"None of us have any evidence for anything!" OnTheOtherHand Dec 2011 #64

Let me dumb it down for you.... wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #76

?! OnTheOtherHand Dec 2011 #77

The fact that the sun rises in the east may be an opinion in truther world cpwm17 Dec 2011 #50

I think you're confused again. ...nt wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #53

Yet we don't see any thermite burning through the outer structure of the building. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #87

What's an anti-truther? n/t zappaman Dec 2011 #13

also called a no-truther! wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #16

I'm sure you know both of those videos have been discussed before William Seger Dec 2011 #20

I know they have been discussed before. wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #23

Nope, you need to watch it again: The sun is clearly not blocked. William Seger Dec 2011 #26

more bullshit from the anti-truther crowd! wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #24

Here's "so fucking what": William Seger Dec 2011 #27

No! wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #29

LOL ocpagu Feb 2013 #84

Wrong again! wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #30

Now THAT makes sense! zappaman Dec 2011 #32

thermit is quite quiet from a distance in case you didn't know that! nt wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #33

seems like the goalposts are moving OnTheOtherHand Dec 2011 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author William Seger Dec 2011 #39

That's exactly why the thermite nonsense was invented in the first place... William Seger Dec 2011 #40

don't need anything else yet. wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #43

"you wouldn't want the public to hear the explosives! Duh!" But according to 9/11 Truth Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #44

It doesn't matter what explosive they used Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #51

some explosions were heard in the basement! nt wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #56

It happened when the aircraft struck cpwm17 Dec 2011 #60

But the collapses plainly begin in the area of the aircraft strikes Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #69

What's an anti-truther? zappaman Dec 2011 #28

tell me something william... wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #47

Is that a fact? cpwm17 Dec 2011 #58

Conservation of momentum is a fact, yes... wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #59

From Bazant, a debris layer would quickly build up between the top and bottom sections. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #61

bullshit, more bull shit! wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #62

OK. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #63

for every action.... wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #67

You're missing his point cpwm17 Dec 2011 #68

His point was to deflect or obfuscate! wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #71

I grant good faith to you in this discussion. Please do the same for me. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #74

Bolo explained it just fine, and anyway, you're falling for a red herring William Seger Dec 2011 #65

I guess for you he did! wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #66

"Most people do not realize..." William Seger Dec 2011 #70

I realize you are obfuscating! wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #73

You can't compare colliding objects on different scales cpwm17 Dec 2011 #72

And lots of people will try and explain what sort of locomotive the tornado sounded like. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #85

"There was no raging infernos in the towers that lasted for hours!" Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #36

Radio waves or cell phones? AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #89

And by the way! wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #19

Drywall.... quickesst Dec 2011 #35

So how did the drywall survive the ramming of a jumbo jet aircraft? Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #37

I told you.... quickesst Dec 2011 #75

My point is Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #78

Come on.... quickesst Jan 2012 #79

It's not about overcoming the strength of the steel below. Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #80

Do you mean the bolts... deconstruct911 Jan 2012 #81

"a 757 crashing directly into one floor" Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #82

Really? You think you could go back in time, and drop the equivalent mass of a WWII battleship from AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #88

it seems you're on a mission! eom. wildbilln864 Mar 2013 #90

I hate dumb ideas, and that motivates me to debunk them. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #93

well good luck with that. eom wildbilln864 Mar 2013 #94

Going pretty good so far. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #95

right! wildbilln864 Mar 2013 #96

9/11 is no conspiracy! There is nothing to their story! Logical Jan 2012 #83