Creative Speculation

William Seger

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147. And even Gage and Chandler had to admit ...

Sat Dec 24, 2011, 02:46 PM

Dec 2011

... that in view of that additional information, they cannot find a single example of a controlled demolition that really resembled WTC7's collapse, with 8 stories of freefall starting 1.75 seconds after the building was already falling, nor can they produce any rational explanation for why such a thing would be done.

No, wait -- they haven't admitted that, have they. Not that it matters, of course. Instead, they persist in claiming that something that doesn't really look like a controlled demolition is irrefutable evidence of a controlled demolition, while blithely hand-waving away the total absence of other effects of real controlled demolitions such as high-explosive sounds and seismic spikes. In Trutherland, this is known as a "smoking gun."

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What is the thing about 911 being a inside job that is the hardest to explain away? [View all] Logical Dec 2011 OP

No links for you but a documentry zeemike Dec 2011 #1

Clear? pinqy Dec 2011 #3

My answers and some questions to you. zeemike Dec 2011 #10

Not really an answer pinqy Dec 2011 #15

It would be even harder to convince that Osama hijacked a cruz missil don't you think? zeemike Dec 2011 #39

jesus! wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #142

Flight 77 was itself the missile. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #148

I think you missed my point! nt wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #149

I took a glance at the video "In Plane Sight" cpwm17 Dec 2011 #5

Explain why there are no viedo of the plain hitting the Pentagon zeemike Dec 2011 #11

Explain what happened to the passengers of Flight 77. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #16

I asked you first. zeemike Dec 2011 #17

Did I know anyone personally on those planes? No, I didn't. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #20

The only power "they" have is the power you have fictiously ascribed to "them" Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #22

You don't have to be omnipotante to manipulate people and things. zeemike Dec 2011 #27

You're arguing in circles; question-begging Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #28

Well you understand the power of a straw man don't you? zeemike Dec 2011 #31

A straw man is when you assign a fallacious argument to someone that they did not make Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #33

You ,keep saying there is ZERRO evedence. zeemike Dec 2011 #44

it's ZERO evidence...and yes, you have none. zappaman Dec 2011 #45

So there we have it...we are at an impass zeemike Dec 2011 #51

Even the NIST had to finally admit freefall occured! wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #143

And even Gage and Chandler had to admit ... William Seger Dec 2011 #147

The evidence presented that the fall started 1.75 seconds before the freefall component is poor. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #152

WTC7 was in freefall for the first 100 feet Ace Acme Dec 2013 #151

You present assertions that have already been thoroughly debunked cpwm17 Dec 2011 #46

Well that would be hard to do. zeemike Dec 2011 #50

Then there is no amount of evidence that can change your mind. cpwm17 Dec 2011 #58

And no amount will change yours zeemike Dec 2011 #61

So what if it fell in "free fall"? I wouldn't expect otherwise. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #48

The only way it could have fallen like that strait down is if ALL the suprot structures failed zeemike Dec 2011 #49

You really pin this entire idea on the notion that structural failures dont spontaneously occur? Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #52

Well the building could have collapsed from damage zeemike Dec 2011 #55

Your belief in a "sustained pummeling" of WTC7 is a fantasy. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #154

I regard your refusal to counter our evidence for a plane hitting the Pentagon as a concesion. cpwm17 Dec 2011 #54

No you are wrong there zeemike Dec 2011 #99

you make me laugh when you say "our evidence"! wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #144

I regard your refusal to counter our evidence for a plane hitting the Pentagon as a concesion. cpwm17 Dec 2011 #146

Large buildings do tip over. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #155

Freefall is not a natural occurrance for buildings. The law of conservation of energy Ace Acme Dec 2013 #153

There is one poor frame from one of their low speed cameras. cpwm17 Dec 2011 #26

So they only have low speed cameras and only released 5 frames? zeemike Dec 2011 #29

You didn't address the evidence presented cpwm17 Dec 2011 #32

Well I used WTC7 as my smoking gun zeemike Dec 2011 #37

Could I request that you please remove that link from your post(s)? Make7 Dec 2011 #64

I didn't look at the site closely cpwm17 Dec 2011 #87

Thank you. I did pretty much the same thing the last DU3 test period. Make7 Dec 2011 #117

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #2

Oh, my God. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #6

Sory but I don't know what any of that means... zeemike Dec 2011 #12

It may be a reason to believe in God. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #13

Don't know what that means eather zeemike Dec 2011 #18

Where did the plane parts go that hit the pentagon? liberal N proud Dec 2011 #4

Here's more evidence for the plane that hit the Pentagon: cpwm17 Dec 2011 #9

There are plenty of pictures of airplane parts in the Pentagon hack89 Dec 2011 #21

All the competing theories Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #7

The truth is out there zeemike Dec 2011 #14

So the Truthers are part of the lies Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #19

no they are bieng manipulated. zeemike Dec 2011 #30

So which ones are bing manipulated? Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #34

oh my zappaman Dec 2011 #35

Well that is what Journalist used to do zeemike Dec 2011 #36

So what you're saying is Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #38

utter absence of genuine evidence? zeemike Dec 2011 #40

"I show you that there is plenty of it?" Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #41

So basicly you just want to run me round and round zeemike Dec 2011 #43

The only evidence in the videos is of a burning, wrecked building that collapses. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #47

I guess that is true zeemike Dec 2011 #53

What laws are you referring to? cpwm17 Dec 2011 #56

The law of gravity for one. zeemike Dec 2011 #57

Here's a brief video that shows WTC7 didn't all collapse at the same time cpwm17 Dec 2011 #59

I have seen it and it is consistant whith what I said zeemike Dec 2011 #60

Thermal expansion and weakening of steel can explain the structural failure cpwm17 Dec 2011 #62

Well what I don't believe is that this thermal expansion was distributed evenly zeemike Dec 2011 #65

It wasn't. No one claims that it was. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #66

i am not protesting anything...I am questioning the official story zeemike Dec 2011 #68

Protesting, questioning, whatever. You need to find out what the official story is. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #70

Well sory to disapoint you but I have seen the official story zeemike Dec 2011 #72

No, you haven't, not with that straw man claim you made about thermal expansion. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #73

What a statement... zeemike Dec 2011 #75

I agree. Your post 75 is some statement, indeed. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #77

So I am hearing you say that because it is not part of the official story zeemike Dec 2011 #80

No, you are hearing me say, "Locate that phrase or that concept in the Final Report on Building 7." Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #81

So if it is not in the offical report then it does not exist. zeemike Dec 2011 #84

"we then have estalished that the collaps was not caused by thermal expansion" - No, we have not. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #86

Well then present it as evedence zeemike Dec 2011 #88

Here's a short presentation of the NIST report Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #94

Yep seen it. zeemike Dec 2011 #96

Seen it? And still you were here saying that the report claimed uniform thermal expansion was Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #97

Because it said that thermal expansion caused the iner part to fail zeemike Dec 2011 #101

Large massive objects don't behave like small light objects. cpwm17 Dec 2011 #102

All good points....and demolition experts use these facts in their work. zeemike Dec 2011 #106

WTC7 didn't fall straight down cpwm17 Dec 2011 #107

Are you saying that the shell was suported by the inside of the building? zeemike Dec 2011 #108

By the way here is a photo of the framework of WTC7 zeemike Dec 2011 #110

Something DID happen simultaneously Ace Acme Dec 2013 #158

I just showed you with the video of the collapse on comment 59 that there wasn't a uniform collapse. cpwm17 Dec 2011 #82

So expalin where I am not telling the truth zeemike Dec 2011 #85

I am not saying that you are a liar. Not at all. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #91

Well I admit I have not read the report zeemike Dec 2011 #92

The beams in WTC7 didn't warp. If they had, then they couldn't have pushed the girder. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #157

That's an engineering question cpwm17 Dec 2011 #63

And Arcitects and Engineers have addtessed it zeemike Dec 2011 #67

In the latest holy book in their online store? Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #69

You can dismiss anthing can't you? zeemike Dec 2011 #71

I've dismissed the arguments of AE911Truth after nine years of examining 9/11 Truth arguments Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #74

Funy but after 9 years of doing the same thing I came to a diferent conclusion zeemike Dec 2011 #76

9 years of avoiding the actual statements of NIST? Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #78

Questioning is not avoiding. zeemike Dec 2011 #79

The way you are questioning is avoiding. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #83

That is just the same thing said in a deferent way zeemike Dec 2011 #89

But you are misrepresenting what the report says. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #90

If you then take the oposing view it is up to you zeemike Dec 2011 #93

You might have that backwards Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #95

And he is sayint that the "proper explanation" is the "official one" zeemike Dec 2011 #98

But neither Boffin or the report he cites claims the building fell straight down Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #100

Well nothing is perfict. zeemike Dec 2011 #103

Sorry, but the evidence presented by Boffin convinces me it was NOT uniform Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #104

Are you saying that all buildings should behave the same while collapsing? cpwm17 Dec 2011 #105

not too suprising sense they were very close togather to beguin with zeemike Dec 2011 #109

WTC7 fell straight down at first--as you can see by watching the videos. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #159

"Only the outer shell collapsed at the same time. That was only after the internal structure collaps wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #145

That the penthouse collapsed does not prove that the interior of the building collapsed. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #156

bombs in the bldgs. going off plus ensho Dec 2011 #8

For me, it was the spike in options trading in United and American airlines coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #23

The willful destruction of the FAA recordings for that time. kickysnana Dec 2011 #24

MercutioATC explained that. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #25

There isn't one corner of the Government and media ... T S Justly Dec 2011 #42

No Black Boxes ever recovered Cherchez la Femme Dec 2011 #111

Not true. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #112

Good to know Cherchez la Femme Dec 2011 #113

In a movie theater, links will have to wait Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #114

Here, do some reading...... Logical Dec 2011 #120

More BS, The Flight 93 flight data recorders were recovered. Also.... Logical Dec 2011 #119

The attacker's passport that survived the explosion, FourScore Dec 2011 #115

Show us how you know zappaman Dec 2011 #116

Government protection of fraudulent workers in basement levels. melonkali Dec 2011 #118

firemen and policemen said wtc7 was going to come down tiny elvis Dec 2011 #121

But the reasons for fearing a collapse are on record. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #122

That's apples and oranges cpwm17 Dec 2011 #123

someone with some authority said tiny elvis Dec 2011 #124

I have posted why firefights though the building would fall Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #125

Already asked and answered cpwm17 Dec 2011 #126

nist said the collapse was unexpected and unexplained prior to nist's investigation tiny elvis Dec 2011 #127

Here's a real time video of a firefighter predicting WTC7's collapse cpwm17 Dec 2011 #128

the national institute of standards and technology disagrees with you tiny elvis Dec 2011 #129

Clearly the collapse was "expected" the day of 9/11 Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #130

Here's the link to the 2008 Final Report on the Collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 cpwm17 Dec 2011 #132

i thought maybe you read it tiny elvis Dec 2011 #133

Obviously you don't know what you're talking about cpwm17 Dec 2011 #139

Hmmm, I seriously doubt that claim William Seger Dec 2011 #131

Hmmmm... Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #141

Who says WTC7 was leaning? FEMA doesn't say it was leaning. NIST doesn't say it was leaning. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #160

Message deleted by the DU Administrators Nathan_Hale Dec 2011 #134

I don't think you've got that quote right. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #135

Yes, my recollection was..... Nathan_Hale Dec 2011 #136

No, not at all. There's enough intent AFTER seeing the towers attacked to document it. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #137

One can split hairs over.... Nathan_Hale Dec 2011 #138

Actually, it is resolvable. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #140

just around 911 there was a story about stock trading for American Airlines Whisp Dec 2011 #150