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dballance

(5,756 posts)
160. Yes, Really.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 04:18 AM
Jun 2014

From "The Big Bamboozle" by Philip Marshall, Chapter 6, page 26:

"As we study the date found in the black boxes, we see a story of precise navigation methods, of incredible coordination, of advanced maneuvering and hair-raising dives. The flight profiles revealed that a tailed operating procedure was used to fly directly to predetermined targets, followed by a series of advanced hand-flown maneuvers that included rapid descents, steep turns and coordinated roll outs."

"High speed and low-level maneuvers training is evident when we see the the extraordinary flight profiles and FAA radar recordings. For example, American 77, after navigating from 300 miles directly to a relatively small area, executed a difficult descending low-altitude 330-degree steep turn before it torpedoed the Pentagon just three feet off the ground at 540 miles per hour. As a twenty-year Boeing pilot and captain on the 757, I would be challenged to duplicate this performance without several practice flights"

--- end excerpt

540 miles per hour is far above the speed that plane should have been flying. 530 mph is it's optimal CRUISING speed, not its low-altitude maneuvering speed. It's certainly not a long, slow sloppy turn according to an ACTUAL pilot who is a CAPTAIN on a 757. Please let me know where your daughter is learning to drive. I'd like to avoid that area at all costs.

One of the pilots I know personally is checked out as a first officer on both the 757 and the 767. He tells me the same thing. BTW, he was one of the pilots on the AA flight with the "Shoe Bomber."

Oh, I guess you missed two things about Rob's video. First, it's not in real time, it's in slow-mo. You might notice time on the clock. It appears to be time of day Rob made the simulation and not the time of day the flight actually happened. That was at 9:37 AM EDT. Second, his first question on the re-creation "Pentagon straight ahead. Why start this turn? Why not push the nose straight down into the Pentagon?" Good question. Why execute what another pilot says is a difficult maneuver that might have caused him to miss his target entirely. A 330-degree turn when the target is right in front of you? Why indeed?



From your post:
Are you sure there isn't something terribly wrong about what you've been told about these 'maneuvers" by the "truth movement?" My working brain says there must be.

Well yes, I'm certain that there is something terribly wrong about these maneuvers as told to us by our government. I don't believe they happened that way.

I'll trust what experienced pilots have to say over you any day. That includes Robert.

Skygate 911 [View all] damnedifIknow May 2014 OP
Good grief. B-List conspiracy huckster Rob Balsamo William Seger May 2014 #1
Please address the content of this video damnedifIknow May 2014 #2
I did. Read the links (n/t) William Seger May 2014 #3
Do you agree with analysis done on the WTC by the same people in your links? johndoeX May 2014 #7
I'm not surprised that you missed the point William Seger May 2014 #9
In other words.... johndoeX May 2014 #10
Here's some content: William Seger May 2014 #4
Seger once again shows his lack of aeronautical knowledge. johndoeX May 2014 #5
Cowboy Bob rides again William Seger May 2014 #8
Read and Learn Seger johndoeX May 2014 #11
SSDD William Seger May 2014 #12
You are so lost it would be funny if not so sad. johndoeX May 2014 #13
Maybe you've been watching that spinning wing logo too long William Seger May 2014 #14
Wow, look at all that tap dancing... lol johndoeX May 2014 #15
Welcome to the Rob Balsamo Show William Seger May 2014 #17
You still don't get it Seger? johndoeX May 2014 #18
Oh, I "get" what you're asserting William Seger May 2014 #19
Whoops, I missed this one..... johndoeX Jun 2014 #26
And you still missed it by a mile William Seger Jun 2014 #27
The Gish Gallop of fake Vg diagram and BS superbeachnut Jun 2014 #34
While you're at it, please explain this, too William Seger Jun 2014 #20
No, you still don't get it Seger.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #23
ROFL. There's that bizarra Balsamo "debating" technique again William Seger Jun 2014 #28
fake Vg diagram superbeachnut Jun 2014 #33
Using a journalist for aero knowledge, quote mining failure superbeachnut Jun 2014 #22
Still unable to read the credentials page Beachy? johndoeX Jun 2014 #25
Fake defintion used to help fake Vg diagram superbeachnut Jun 2014 #35
Any valid points in the video which prove it was not 175 hitting the WTC superbeachnut Jun 2014 #36
Jetblue Captain and Aeronautical Engineer Reviews Skygate 911 johndoeX May 2014 #6
Jetblue Captain and Aeronautical Engineer falls for Skygate 911 lies and fake Vg diagram superbeachnut Jun 2014 #71
Navy Top Gun and American Airlines 757/767 Captain Reviews Skygate 911 johndoeX May 2014 #16
Navy Top Gun and American Airlines 757/767 Captain Fooled by Skygate 911 superbeachnut Jun 2014 #72
Fraud from failed pilots superbeachnut Jun 2014 #21
Aww... how sweet... johndoeX Jun 2014 #24
Wow, that is lame, even for you William Seger Jun 2014 #29
Wrong again Seger... johndoeX Jun 2014 #30
LOL, so you didn't IGNORE the point William Seger Jun 2014 #31
Seger says - "If A > B and B > C, then A > C" johndoeX Jun 2014 #37
767 designed for 1.2Vd, and it can do better, why the fake Vg diagram superbeachnut Jun 2014 #39
Censura.net? Really? This is you "expert"? johndoeX Jun 2014 #41
math expert debunks pilots for truth math, pilot for truth forum thread confirms it superbeachnut Jun 2014 #44
Source fail johndoeX Jun 2014 #45
pilots for truth fail to decode what a mathematician can, so much for experts superbeachnut Jun 2014 #48
Post #27 William Seger Jun 2014 #49
It's much more simple than that Seger johndoeX Jun 2014 #51
Fake Vg diagram, inability to post the structural failure speed - pilots for truth superbeachnut Jun 2014 #53
Game over William Seger Jun 2014 #61
Wrong again Seger johndoeX Jun 2014 #63
Balsamo folds but continues to bullshit William Seger Jun 2014 #69
And yet.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #73
Our guest on the Rob Balsamo Show today is... William Seger Jun 2014 #76
You're still wrong Seger johndoeX Jun 2014 #79
Jeez... Yes, Rob, as I said, that is Flight Load William Seger Jun 2014 #82
Nice backpedaling... johndoeX Jun 2014 #83
more nonsense from pilots for truth superbeachnut Jun 2014 #85
Bullshit William Seger Jun 2014 #87
The Limit Case johndoeX Jun 2014 #90
Really? William Seger Jun 2014 #92
Go ahead! johndoeX Jun 2014 #95
ROFLMAO William Seger Jun 2014 #98
Translation johndoeX Jun 2014 #100
1.2Vd, 580 mph for flight 175 flutter free, better call for help superbeachnut Jun 2014 #93
Go ahead provide the source, make up more nonsense, and never explain superbeachnut Jun 2014 #70
In other words.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #74
Why can't the super pilots for truth source what they say they can source superbeachnut Jun 2014 #77
And now for accuracy... johndoeX Jun 2014 #80
pilots for truth talk Technobabble with aerodynamics and can't explain their dumb-speak superbeachnut Jun 2014 #81
"50'% Factor of Safety beyond VD" William Seger Jun 2014 #89
Math? johndoeX Jun 2014 #91
pilots for truth, making up more nonsense superbeachnut Jun 2014 #94
Yes, math, your worst nightmare William Seger Jun 2014 #97
Wrong again Seger. johndoeX Jun 2014 #99
Done William Seger Jun 2014 #101
School's out William Seger Jun 2014 #102
Wrong again Seger... johndoeX Jun 2014 #103
ROFLMAO William Seger Jun 2014 #104
Translation - johndoeX Jun 2014 #106
next stop, 11.2g physics applied to make up fake engine claims superbeachnut Jun 2014 #107
"You've already proven you are intellectually dishonest" William Seger Jun 2014 #108
The Score johndoeX Jun 2014 #109
Hmmm, looks like the score is still 1-0 William Seger Jun 2014 #110
Where is the core, why do they not help spread lies of impossible speeds, and fake Vg diagrams superbeachnut Jun 2014 #111
Balsamo's Corner delphi72 Jun 2014 #113
Great summary superbeachnut Jun 2014 #114
pilots for truth lies fail, structual failure at 425 KEAS remains a lie superbeachnut Jun 2014 #105
weak attack does not make the fake Vg diagram real superbeachnut Jun 2014 #32
"Debunkers" unable to plot their own VG when data is known... johndoeX Jun 2014 #38
a fake Vg diagram, photoshopped to fool superbeachnut Jun 2014 #40
Wrong... johndoeX Jun 2014 #42
pilots for truth unable to state the structural failure speed on their fake Vg diagram superbeachnut Jun 2014 #43
ATP? johndoeX Jun 2014 #46
no ATP yet? That is a test score, your FAA records show no ATP superbeachnut Jun 2014 #47
Why block out the date? delphi72 Jun 2014 #50
How does one erase knowledge? johndoeX Jun 2014 #52
I understand now delphi72 Jun 2014 #54
Boeing? johndoeX Jun 2014 #56
The big lie posted in the video preview superbeachnut Jun 2014 #58
Beachnut Flew a Desk johndoeX Jun 2014 #59
Fake Vg diagram supported with... nothing, pilots for truth fake Vg diagram supports lies about 911 superbeachnut Jun 2014 #60
sign of no evidence, for lies of "structual failure at 425 KEAS", and fake Vg diagram, flying a desk superbeachnut Jun 2014 #88
Boeing Phone Answer Lady Top Engineer delphi72 Jun 2014 #112
How does this save the fake Vg diagram or the structural failure speed lie superbeachnut Jun 2014 #55
Wrong again Beachy... n/t johndoeX Jun 2014 #57
Aw, Rob, I never said you were "nuts" William Seger Jun 2014 #62
I'm confused... johndoeX Jun 2014 #64
Paranoid conspiracy theorist fall for pilot for truth fake Vg diagrams and other lies superbeachnut Jun 2014 #65
"Paranoid"? johndoeX Jun 2014 #66
paranoid conspiracy theorist post more lies and paranoia instead of evidence superbeachnut Jun 2014 #67
Wow. There's one born every minute William Seger Jun 2014 #68
"fake VG" johndoeX Jun 2014 #75
A fake Vg diagram appears in the Skygate video with the lie of structual failure at 425 KEAS superbeachnut Jun 2014 #78
25 to 65 johndoeX Jun 2014 #84
pilots for truth make fake Vg diagram and explain how to fake the Vg diagram, without engineering superbeachnut Jun 2014 #86
structural failure zone for the 767, big lie, pilots for truth fail superbeachnut Jun 2014 #96
The Score remains... johndoeX Jun 2014 #115
In Your Corner delphi72 Jun 2014 #117
Well, you've definitely painted yourself into a corner William Seger Jun 2014 #118
The score, pilot for truth claims, zero evidence superbeachnut Jun 2014 #116
Operational Envelope Diagram delphi72 Jun 2014 #119
It's worse than that William Seger Jun 2014 #120
Boeing Comment on Flight Beyond Vg delphi72 Jun 2014 #121
Bump for Balsamo delphi72 Jun 2014 #122
My apologies 'delphi72' johndoeX Jun 2014 #127
Experience in Aviation? delphi72 Jun 2014 #140
Bump (II) for Balsamo delphi72 Jun 2014 #162
Seger is STILL unable to find the relevant FAR? johndoeX Jun 2014 #123
Why can't pilots for truth explain what they post? They never do. superbeachnut Jun 2014 #124
Why can't Beachnut post a source for his claims? johndoeX Jun 2014 #125
767 built to 1.2Vd, pilots for truth can't find the info superbeachnut Jun 2014 #126
Beachy Epic Fail johndoeX Jun 2014 #128
Pilots for truth can't find the spec the 767 was built to, a reflection of their fake 767 Vg diagram superbeachnut Jun 2014 #129
Beachy once again fails to source his claim johndoeX Jun 2014 #130
Here ya go William Seger Jun 2014 #133
Epic Fail Seger johndoeX Jun 2014 #135
You post stuff you can't explain; why superbeachnut Jun 2014 #137
You STILL don't understand structural engineering or the FAR William Seger Jun 2014 #131
Seger, are you familiar with real world exercise, practical application, and precedent? johndoeX Jun 2014 #134
Flight 175, oops, you lost this debate, superbeachnut Jun 2014 #136
ROFLMAO, so predictable, and yet... William Seger Jun 2014 #138
Wrong again Seger johndoeX Jun 2014 #139
So far... so true.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #172
Fake speeds, fake Vg diagram, failed physics, what is the next fake claim from pilots for truth superbeachnut Jun 2014 #132
Beachy cannot determine a VG Diagram when the data is known. johndoeX Jun 2014 #141
The silly lie Balsamo spreads based on failed research. superbeachnut Jun 2014 #142
Thank you for your insight Beachy... johndoeX Jun 2014 #143
p4t can't explain what they post superbeachnut Jun 2014 #144
Beachy -for more than the 5th time johndoeX Jun 2014 #147
No aero engineers at pilots for truth superbeachnut Jun 2014 #148
Wrong again Beachy.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #150
jet blue pilot goes crazy, talking conspracy theories superbeachnut Jun 2014 #155
Actually, that's more than the 5th time William Seger Jun 2014 #145
Wrong again Seger johndoeX Jun 2014 #146
Why can't pilots for truth explain their own questions, their own posts superbeachnut Jun 2014 #149
It means just what it says.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #151
I knew it, you can't explain your own points superbeachnut Jun 2014 #152
Use a dictionary if you are unfamiliar with the terms... johndoeX Jun 2014 #154
You can't explain your post? Why superbeachnut Jun 2014 #156
Wrong again Beachy.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #157
Of Course he Can't Explain His Posts delphi72 Jun 2014 #163
Fake Vg diagram, and more lies superbeachnut Jun 2014 #153
To any person with a WORKING brain SOMETHING IS TERRIBLY WRONG WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD ABOUT 9/11. dballance Jun 2014 #158
Really? William Seger Jun 2014 #159
Yes, Really. dballance Jun 2014 #160
Phillip Marshall? delphi72 Jun 2014 #161
Too funny William Seger Jun 2014 #165
From The Supposed Excerpt: delphi72 Jun 2014 #166
American 88 was MY Typo when I transcribed. Thanks for pointing it out. dballance Jun 2014 #169
Anything else? All your claims are nonsense superbeachnut Jun 2014 #170
Of course, 'duhbunkers' never make a typo... johndoeX Jun 2014 #177
Yes, I have experienced similar results... johndoeX Jun 2014 #167
More nonsense sponsored by pilots for truth, more hearsay and exageration superbeachnut Jun 2014 #171
Working brain? You fell for lies in the "The Big Bamboozle", you were Bamboozled superbeachnut Jun 2014 #168
Just Dawned On Me delphi72 Jun 2014 #164
Uninspired Lies from pilots for truth superbeachnut Jun 2014 #173
Beachy, why have you not supported Seger? johndoeX Jun 2014 #174
Answer My Question delphi72 Jun 2014 #175
pilots for truth can't defend impossible speed lie, no support from rational Aero Engineers superbeachnut Jun 2014 #176
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