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RZM

(8,556 posts)
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 06:10 PM Dec 2011

Regarding the 'heaviest defended airspace' claim. Has anyone here ever brought up Matthias Rust? [View all]

If you're not familiar with the story, in 1987 Matthias Rust was a 19 year old amateur pilot from West Germany who thought it would be funny to fly without permission into the Soviet Union in his single engine Cessna.

He took off from Finland on the morning of May 28 and told air traffic he was going to Sweden. He then turned off his communications equipment and instead flew into the Soviet Union. He made it all the way to Moscow and landed near Red Square that evening. He was promptly arrested afterwards.

That some practical joker was able to violate Soviet airspace and land in the center of Moscow was quite an embarrassment to the Soviet air defense network and the military at large.

Obviously the Soviet air defense network and communications were lackluster and inferior to those in the US in 2001. But still, given that the Soviets failed to shoot down an intruding aircraft that was creeping towards the capital for hours (they did detect it), is it that surprising that the 9/11 planes, which were filled with civilian passengers BTW, weren't shot down either? This of course doesn't prove anything and it can be debated how applicable it is. Just thought I'd mention it in case it hasn't been mentioned here before.

Here's the wikipedia article on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthias_Rust

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Not applicable - U.S. officials had a Security advisory stating attacks by airliners were imminent.. T S Justly Dec 2011 #1
Imminent where? n/t Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #3
You're asking the wrong department. (nt) T S Justly Dec 2011 #6
You are aware the United States is a rather large place? n/t Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #7
NORAD, Bolo. Or Richard Meyers. They were aiming our guns, then. (nt) T S Justly Dec 2011 #8
"Security advisory stating attacks by airliners were imminent" -- your words. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #9
It is your "imminent where" the Joint Chiefs and NORAD, et al had the duty to know or surmise ... T S Justly Dec 2011 #10
Do you even have a source for this belief of a security alert? Link? Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #11
I don't like to be pressed or squeezed ... T S Justly Dec 2011 #12
Well, don't post what you can't back up and you'll not have that problem. n/t Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #13
Get a dog, Bolo. Not only can you order it around ... T S Justly Dec 2011 #15
I would never even think about kicking a dog, T S Justly. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #16
Well, then, I'll kick this dog (nt) (nr) T S Justly Dec 2011 #18
Tell Bolo this BeFree Dec 2011 #21
Why don't you tell me yourself? Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #22
The US was the target BeFree Dec 2011 #23
Yes, and as I pointed out above, BeFree Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #24
I asked you a simple question BeFree Dec 2011 #25
I refuse to participate in your smear tactics. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #26
No. bushco is not innocent BeFree Dec 2011 #27
What is Bushco? n/t zappaman Dec 2011 #29
At least nine PDBs from April to July had titles warning of al Qaeda attacks. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #30
The Soviets had all damn day to shoot down Rust RZM Dec 2011 #4
The Conspirators had 31 days to ready a response to ... T S Justly Dec 2011 #14
KAL flight 902 was shot down in 1978 over the USSR. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #31
You are comparing apples to oranges. truedelphi Dec 2011 #2
It is apples and organges, I admit that RZM Dec 2011 #5
Your logic doesn't follow... CJCRANE Dec 2011 #17
That's not how the Soviets usually operated RZM Dec 2011 #28
I did think it was interesting to reflect on Rust and his attempt to truedelphi Dec 2011 #19
I'm not sure, actually RZM Dec 2011 #20
The differences among detection, interception, and shootdown are distinctions Ace Acme Dec 2013 #32
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