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truth2power

(8,219 posts)
68. No thanks....
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 02:50 PM
Apr 2013

tomk52 -

From your profile I see that you've only been registered here a short while, but perhaps you've been lurking for much longer.

The reason I mention this is that you may or may not be aware that in the "old DU" there was actually a September 11 forum. The arguments there never bore any fruit, as far as I could tell.

Nonetheless, the hashing and re-hashing went on for years, frequently characterized by what were clearly disinformation tactics on the part of some posters, i.e., straw-men, ridicule, or calls for impossible proofs, just to name a few.

Now we have the new DU and discussion of 9/11 goes on under the topic of "Creative Speculation" and at the same level as the sub-topic, "Weird News". IMO, the signal is clear: "Don't take anything said in the creative speculation forum too seriously", which is a pre-emptive strike against any serious discussion of 9/11, entirely.

In your challenge, above, you seem to be conflating evidence with proof. Evidence "proves" nothing. If there is evidence that a crime has been committed, then that evidence needs to be presented in a court of law where a judge or jury will decide, and even then, only 'beyond a reasonable doubt'; or, in a civil case, by 'a preponderance of the evidence'. Neither of which presupposes absolute 100% certainty.

I have met the 'prove it' argument many times before, and I've determined that it's of no benefit to go there.

Furthermore, you have asked me to provide my three strongest arguments and you will tell me where (not if, but where) they collapse. And if I provide my next strongest, and the next, and the next, you are already assuming that they WILL collapse.

I see no benefit to wasting my time (and yours) in pursuing such a fruitless endeavor.

To the best of my ability, I have critically examined the events of 9/11 and have determined for myself that the official narrative can't be true. Others may think what they wish, which is the reason I suggested to pro_gun_owner that he watch those buildings fall and ask himself what he sees. If it's nothing anomalous, then so be it.

Thank you for your respectful reply.

t2p









Conspiracy v. fact 9/11 [View all] Prog_gun_owner Feb 2013 OP
My favorite.... Frank_Norris_Lives Feb 2013 #1
Yup, ludicrous. But... tomk52 Mar 2013 #13
My apologies..... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #46
thanks for reply. tomk52 Mar 2013 #51
The engines of the plane that hit the Pentagon energetically dissasembled themselves when they diges AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #2
Ok Prog_gun_owner Feb 2013 #3
I don't know what the fuck "Thur-mate" is. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #4
The whole "official" 9/11 story is riddled with stinking-lying Republican holes Berlum Feb 2013 #5
You do realize, don't you ... tomk52 Mar 2013 #57
Could thermite cutters even survive a plane impact? Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #62
Depends on what the word "survive" means... tomk52 Mar 2013 #63
Thank-you Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #70
An aside... tomk52 Mar 2013 #64
Here's a picture of what tomk52 is talking about. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #65
Thank-you -- I was about to "Press 1 for English" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #69
You do realize that the NIST animation Politicalboi May 2013 #73
Um, the south tower core columns up to floor 50 or so are visible standing in the dust AtheistCrusader May 2013 #78
LOL ocpagu May 2013 #79
I thought you truthers gave up... tomk52 May 2013 #81
The right way to ask questions... tomk52 Mar 2013 #6
In that case, I have a first question..... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #8
Jet engines don't leave thick, white exhaust trails until ... tomk52 Mar 2013 #9
Are you saying.... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #14
I am saying that ... tomk52 Mar 2013 #16
A well-reasoned explanation for the smoke trail: greyl Mar 2013 #19
Nice animation but.... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #20
Luckily, there's VIDEO of that exceedingly short period of time. Remember that? nt greyl Mar 2013 #22
Perhaps in the grand scheme of things, ... tomk52 Mar 2013 #23
Well, that's strange because..... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #26
Well, I have to agree that this is strange... tomk52 Mar 2013 #32
One certainly can't help but admire... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #39
OF COURSE you get to ignore all those witnesses. tomk52 Mar 2013 #40
Well said! zappaman Mar 2013 #41
Wow...... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #42
... said Frank, rubbing his sore ass. William Seger Mar 2013 #43
And here is your last bastion ... tomk52 Mar 2013 #44
You and.... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #47
LOL, I had forgotten that... William Seger Mar 2013 #48
What you scoffin' at, Willis?? tomk52 Mar 2013 #53
Well, there has to be SOME explanation William Seger Mar 2013 #55
Yup. tomk52 Mar 2013 #56
2nd last bastion... tomk52 Mar 2013 #52
They'll say anything Politicalboi May 2013 #74
Saying nonsense doesn't make it true. tomk52 May 2013 #82
How did the engines penetrate through a 10' hole? BobbyBoring Mar 2013 #10
5 sentences. So much misinformation... tomk52 Mar 2013 #12
Aren't we here.... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #15
You went thru a lot of effort to be this lazy ... tomk52 Mar 2013 #17
Good Grief! Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #21
You got a bus to catch...?? tomk52 Mar 2013 #25
We have for years Politicalboi May 2013 #75
It wasn't a 10 foot hole hack89 Mar 2013 #27
This is a 90' hole? BobbyBoring Mar 2013 #49
That is the 10' EXIT hole in the Pentagon E ring - not the entrance hole in the facade. hack89 Mar 2013 #50
Bobby, anything more to say...? tomk52 Mar 2013 #45
You say you read the FEMA/ASCE Pentagon BPAT report? tomk52 Mar 2013 #54
I have questions that don't involve the collapses Politicalboi Mar 2013 #7
Here's an answer that doesn't involve collapses... tomk52 Mar 2013 #11
Wow... what a waste of time reading this. ocpagu Mar 2013 #18
Are you kidding? tomk52 Mar 2013 #24
Several of Bazant's explanations... ocpagu Mar 2013 #30
Again, tomk52 Mar 2013 #31
On NIST site ocpagu Mar 2013 #35
Yup, I didn't think you understood either one. tomk52 Mar 2013 #37
There are pictures of seats (with bodies attached) hack89 Mar 2013 #28
Because... ocpagu Mar 2013 #29
How do you pack so much "wrong"... tomk52 Mar 2013 #58
LOL. ocpagu Mar 2013 #60
This has become a pattern. tomk52 Mar 2013 #61
Ya can't have it both ways, government apologists AlwaysQuestion Mar 2013 #33
Yeah right zappaman Mar 2013 #34
Who in this planet has ever used the expression ocpagu Mar 2013 #36
it's 2005 all over again? tomk52 Mar 2013 #38
You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place stevebreeze May 2013 #76
Because.... Frank_Norris_Lives May 2013 #77
He knows that... ocpagu May 2013 #80
There's nothing resembling sound premises or valid logical inferences in your argument William Seger Mar 2013 #59
Pro_gun_owner...Here's a link to a video that I encourage you to watch... truth2power Mar 2013 #66
"... not honestly searching for a resolution ..." tomk52 Apr 2013 #67
No thanks.... truth2power Apr 2013 #68
you seem to have a "legal" slant on things... tomk52 Apr 2013 #71
Welcome to the club Politicalboi May 2013 #72
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