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OrwellwasRight

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158. I'm not here to engage in Monty Python Argument Clinic Style "discussions"

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 04:38 PM

Apr 2013

"Yes, your list in #128 is made up of non-credible evidence and false and misleading assumptions.

One and all. If those "facts" are the basis of your conclusions, then you've been led horribly astray."

This is most certainly an insult. Calling his evidence credible but mine not? On what basis? On that fact that he is a Vincent Bugliosi fan and I am not? Calling me "led horribly astray"? If that is not calling someone feeble minded, I don't know what is.

I listed several books that are well written and documented and have cogent evidence and reasonable conclusions. Neither you nor your buddy is interested in "discussing" them. you are only interested in repeating your opinions that any evidence that doesn't support your conclusions is wrong, or debunked, or non-credible. That's not "discussion," that's contradiciton. And I have no interest in it. I would prefer to agree to disagree and go post somewhere else a bit more hospitable.

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Bugliosi: 53 Reasons It Was Lee Harvey Oswald [View all] Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 OP

Great idea. Don't have the book BootinUp Mar 2013 #1

(1) Oswald always visited Marina in Irving on a Friday. Nov 21 was the first Thursday visit ever. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #2

You omitted the part where he left all his money zappaman Mar 2013 #3

That's coming. n/t Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #5

(2) Oswald's claim to be getting curtain rods in Irving was an implausible lie. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #4

(3) Oswald told Frazier he would NOT be coming back to Irving on Friday night. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #6

(4) That night Oswald avoided Kennedy talk with Marina, a subject it was their custom to discuss. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #7

Kick! n/t zappaman Mar 2013 #8

(5) Friday morning, Oswald left almost all his cash and his wedding ring in Irving. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #9

Thanks for this thread! frogmarch Mar 2013 #10

(6) On Friday morning, Oswald placed a long paper-wrapped package in the back seat of Frazier's car. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #11

(7) Frazier noticed that for the first time on a return trip from Irving, Oswald brought no lunch. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #12

(8) On arrival at the TSBD, Oswald walked faster and ahead of Frazier for the first time ever. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #13

(9) For the first time ever, Oswald didn't read the paper in the TSBD domino room. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #14

Man..... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #61

Not just daily routine. The trip to Irving was a weekly thing. n/t Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #64

(10) Oswald's pretense with a co-worker that he didn't know JFK's route Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #15

(11) Howard Brennan saw Lee Harvey Oswald fire the third shot that killed the President. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #16

Funny.... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #60

What you've said here doesn't negate the fact that Brennan saw Oswald take the third shot. n/t Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #63

This is a weak point alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #68

Yes, that he wouldn't do the positive ID right then weakens this point. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #72

Right, bbut you and I would both probably discount any such testimony in a live criminal case alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #77

(12) Kennedy's assassin was at the now-infamous sixth-floor window. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #17

(13) During interrogation, Oswald put himself on the sixth floor at the time of the assassination. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #18

(14) Oswald's story of getting a Coke after hearing commotion of assassination is not sensible. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #19

(15) It makes no sense that Oswald the "political animal" had no interest in the President's death. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #20

I figured you needed more than one person pumping his own thread, so I'll add this... MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #21

"Price $10.00" Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #22

Are you accusing me of advertising? MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #25

Yes. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #26

You and I don't rise to the level of having "history"... MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #40

I'm glad to see you've put it all out of your beautiful mind. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #42

Bolo Boffin... MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #43

MrMickeysMom Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #44

Here ya go zappaman Mar 2013 #37

Does it have a spooky one-note soundtrack? William Seger Mar 2013 #35

Sorry to interupt all the cheering..... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #23

Why do you need an explanation for this? Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #24

I suppose that means..... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #36

Drats! zappaman Mar 2013 #38

Buggsi. Cute. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #39

So Buggsi doesn't.... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #45

How exactly would Oswald have acted differently if he had killed JFK? Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #46

I'm calling Superman immediately..... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #57

No, thanks. All I need is a simple answer from you about what you meant. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #58

LOL! zappaman Mar 2013 #47

Not much sense to me either... MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #41

That's not true. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #116

Among the people who didn't say "Oswald wasn't there": me. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #121

You seem to be spending a lot of time disproving OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #128

Your list of evidence. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #143

Many of these are largely debunked by Enemy of the Truth, Myths, Forensics, and the Kennedy Assassin OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #149

"Your insults will get you nowhere, and I welcome you to stop." zappaman Apr 2013 #150

I am not here to be told that people do not know what they smell and where. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #151

You really have a chip on your shoulder. zappaman Apr 2013 #152

The fact that you can't agree to disagree means you are in fact trying to make me feel inferior. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #157

Chip? MrMickeysMom Apr 2013 #241

I'm not here to engage in Monty Python Argument Clinic Style "discussions" OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #158

" I'm not here to engage in Monty Python Argument Clinic Style "discussions"" zappaman Apr 2013 #159

I already did. nt. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #164

Should you wish, there are some real threads here... MrMickeysMom Apr 2013 #242

And deservedly so. zappaman Apr 2013 #244

If you think I've insulted you deliberately, alert on my post. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #154

Oh yes, my feeble mind has been misled. Woe is me. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #155

"your implicaiton that I am feebleminded" - something you're importing to the conversation. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #160

You refuse to discuss the facts. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #163

Do you understand that 'credible evidence' and 'non-credible evidence' are legal terms? Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #165

Thank you for the legal lesson counselor. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #166

Oh, Sherry Fiester was present at the autopsy and was able to examine the body? n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #167

Oh, you were? nt. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #168

I'll take that as your "No, Fiester was not." n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #169

I'll take that as a no, Bugliosi was not as well. nt. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #173

So let's all acquiesce to those who were at the autopsy. n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #176

um, no. that's the point. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #177

Also, there's a slight problem with the location Feister IDs as the site of the kill shot. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #170

Yes, because everything you believe is superior to what I believe. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #174

Very strange how you insist on making this personal Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #175

No, I don't insist on making this personal. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #178

You are misrepresenting the video in this response. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #179

Agree to disagree. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #180

You misquoting the video is not an "agree to disagree" moment. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #181

Again you ignore my post to focus on what you want to talk about. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #182

Well, I'm not impressed by someone who misrepresents the facts. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #183

I have not misrepresented any facts. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #184

Yes, you have. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #185

Um, no I haven't. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #186

I thought you wanted to be "left alone"? zappaman Apr 2013 #187

And why do you? OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #188

Point to one post where I, or anyone else calls you a liar. zappaman Apr 2013 #189

Post 183, for instance. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #192

Your words in reply to me... zappaman Apr 2013 #193

Post 183, for instance. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #196

Where is the post where I called you a liar? zappaman Apr 2013 #198

Repetition. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #233

Fact: You claimed a statement was made about the south overpass position. It was about the north. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #190

Fact: You posted the video and asked me to watch it. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #191

"What is also a fact is that I have told you I don't want to continue this conversation. " zappaman Apr 2013 #194

You keep replying. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #199

"Leave me alone!" zappaman Apr 2013 #200

I would if you'd stop replying. nt. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #219

If you want to be left alone, why do you keep replying? zappaman Apr 2013 #220

Because I want YOU to leave ME alone. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #222

Then why do you keep accusing me of calling you a liar? zappaman Apr 2013 #223

"KEEP accusing YOU"???? OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #226

No, you keep saying I called you a liar zappaman Apr 2013 #227

No, you keep editing your question. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #231

Fact: I am an irony junkie. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #195

You are many things. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #197

Governments lie. zappaman Apr 2013 #201

See post #183. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #218

I didn't write post #183 zappaman Apr 2013 #221

Show me the post where I said "you" called me a liar. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #230

Yes, some posters do. Hello pot. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #234

My mind is quite open to the facts and reasonable interpretations of them. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #202

I don't want you to consider any additional evidence. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #217

Why? Because if I do, that conflicts with the little box you want to file me away in? Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #237

What? OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #239

What, indeed. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #243

(16) After the assassination, only Oswald missed a roll call at the TSBD. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #27

The devil really is..... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #66

Vague foreknowledge? The roll calls were taken after the assassination. n/t Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #73

(17) Oswald walked past his normal bus stop and walked seven blocks to board a different line. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #28

Another weak point alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #69

(18) Oswald left the Marsalis bus when it got caught in traffic. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #29

Damn, Lee is thinking to himself.... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #59

Your attempt at parody/mind reading doesn't negate that this actually happened. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #62

(19) Oswald's not speaking to the cab driver about the assassination is striking. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #30

(20) Oswald had the cab drive past his residence, dropping him off down the road. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #31

(21) Oswald's behavior at his boarding house indicates a flight in progress. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #32

(22) Oswald retrieved his revolver at the rooming house. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #33

(23) In addition to getting a coat and his gun, Oswald changed trousers. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #34

Weak point alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #70

Oswald's clipboard was found later. He'd filled no orders. He'd done no TSBD work that day. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #74

Yes, of course alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #78

That's pretty weak. secondvariety Mar 2013 #94

If this was all there was, I'd agree the case was weak. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #95

(24) Lee Harvey Oswald murdered J.D. Tippit. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #48

(25) A store manager saw Oswald evading police sirens in front of his store. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #49

(26) Oswald slipped into the Texas Theater without buying a ticket. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #50

(27) When approached by police in the Texas Theater, Oswald said "Well, it is all over now." Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #51

Hmmm...... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #65

Hung out to dry for both Kennedy and Tippit? Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #75

(28) Oswald then fought the police and tried to pull his revolver out. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #52

(29) After arrest, Oswald refused to even give his name to arresting officers. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #53

(30) Oswald made a clenched-fist salute to reporters. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #54

My mom and I saw frogmarch Mar 2013 #67

(31) Oswald refused a lie detector test. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #55

Not necessarily. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #117

This thread is not about disproving a second shooter. It's about Oswald's involvement. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #122

Sure. Of course. Or they decline because OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #126

(32) After visiting him on Saturday, Marina came away convinced of Oswald's guilt. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #56

Weak point alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #71

Yes, I agree YMMV on this one. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #76

Thank you for the list! Fascinating! alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #79

Agreed. There also may be multiple explanations for his behavior, as well as for the other evidence. eomer Mar 2013 #91

Has Ancient Aliens covered this yet? ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #80

Well... Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #81

Oh, well there we go. The History Channel wouldn't make shit up. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #82

(33) Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle was found on the sixth floor of the TSBD. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #83

(34) The mostly intact bullet (CE 399) and two of the fragments were fired from this rifle. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #84

(35) The three expended shells on the sixth floor were "fired in and ejected from" Oswald's rifle. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #85

(36) A handmade paper bag large enough to carry Oswald's rifle was found in the sniper's nest. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #86

(37) Oswald's prints were found on boxes that comprised the sniper's nest. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #87

(38) Oswald was the sole owner of the revolver found in his possession on arrest. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #88

(39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with being fired from Oswald's .38. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #89

(40) The four cartridge shells found at the Tippit murder scene were fired from Oswald's revolver. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #90

(54) Oswald said he didn't do it. Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #92

Oswald fleeing the scene of the crime says he did it. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #93

Others with as much secondvariety Mar 2013 #96

Do you know what they based this statement on? zappaman Mar 2013 #97

One of the things secondvariety Mar 2013 #99

Actually, most people refute it. zappaman Mar 2013 #101

The NAS secondvariety Mar 2013 #102

I've only been to Dallas a couple of times but do bullets just fly around all the time? ryan_cats Apr 2013 #161

Well, under digital analysis 20-30 years later... zappaman Apr 2013 #162

Was that before or after Earth was quarantined? ryan_cats Apr 2013 #171

Wow. zappaman Apr 2013 #172

There is no way frogmarch Mar 2013 #98

I don't know- secondvariety Mar 2013 #100

(41) A paraffin test on Oswald's hands showed he'd fired a revolver just before his arrest. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #103

Does the paraffin test showing Oswald never field a rifle that day speak for itself as well? bogmanla Feb 2014 #250

(42) Oswald left his blue jacket behind in the TSBD. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #104

(43) Oswald's tan jacket was found along the path Tippit's killer took. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #105

(44) Oswald's work clipboard was found on the sixth floor of the TSBD. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #106

(45) Oswald lied about owning a rifle, and about owning the Mannlicher-Carcano specifically. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #107

No transcription or recording was made of Oswald in DPD custody bogmanla Feb 2014 #251

(46) Oswald lied about being in the backyard photo where he was holding his rifle. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #108

1) Did Lee Harvey Oswald have a clift chin or a flat-bottomed chin? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #203

Here are some links for you to read and will answer your questions. zappaman Apr 2013 #204

If someone said something about a "mysterious line across Oswald's chin," it was somebody AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #206

Maybe you should believe the experts using technology not available 50 years ago. zappaman Apr 2013 #208

Who says that I don't believe the "experts." Are you trying to engage in a poor ad hominem attack? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #209

So you do? zappaman Apr 2013 #210

So I do what? Believe "experts" instead of my lying eyes? Is that what you do? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #211

Do you lying eyes know the images you posted weren't manipulated zappaman Apr 2013 #212

Obviously, you are obsessed with believing experts. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #213

I believe experts over you, yes. n/t zappaman Apr 2013 #214

I'm not trying to convince you of anything or even to think for yourself. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #215

Then why post those images? zappaman Apr 2013 #216

This isn't about you. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #224

So you created the images you posted? zappaman Apr 2013 #225

Others can see the link. Sorry to hear about your comprehension problem. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #228

Oh, I see it's Ralph Thomas zappaman Apr 2013 #229

Are you just kicking this thread? I'm done. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #232

Did you happen to look at more photos? William Seger Apr 2013 #235

You "would expect a real photo-analyst to know" that whether or not the chin looks cleft depends on AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #238

Oh, sorry William Seger Apr 2013 #240

An analysis of the photos: frogmarch Apr 2013 #205

Yea, the top and bottom photos look exactly the same. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #207

Or did he have a pointed chin? Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #236

(47) Oswald lied about having seen the picture before. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #109

(48) Oswald lied about living at the place where the picture with the rifle was taken. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #110

(49) Oswald lied about telling Wesley Frazier the curtain rod story. n/t Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #111

(50) Oswald lied about putting a long package into Frazier's car that morning. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #112

(51) Oswald told police the only thing he'd brought to work that morning was his lunch. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #113

(52) Oswald lied about having lunch on the first floor with two other employees. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #114

(53) Oswald lied about where he'd bought his revolver. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #115

Yes, this obviously proves he killed the president. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #118

It's not one of these that proves it. zappaman Mar 2013 #119

Even all 53 of these together do not prove he acted alone. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #120

You are the one with a red herring in this thread, OrwellwasRight. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #123

Not true. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #124

Google "oswald innocent" if you really are this naive. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #125

Well that's hardly evidence. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #127

Allow me to disabuse you of the notion that Kennedy was shot from the front: he wasn't. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #129

Again, I refer you to Best Evidence. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #131

I've read BEST EVIDENCE and met David Lifton. zappaman Mar 2013 #132

I don't think you understand my use of the term "legitimate researcher" OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #133

Are you a man of his word? zappaman Mar 2013 #134

I said "you." OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #135

LOL! zappaman Mar 2013 #141

I understand your use of the term "legitimate researcher" just fine. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #137

That post was not addressed to you. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #138

No, but you've used the term in posts directed to me. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #140

Facts like those posted in #128? OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #142

Yes, your list in #128 is made up of non-credible evidence and false and misleading assumptions. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #144

Thank you for your opinion. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #145

It's not opinion about the Dictabelt. Or where Kennedy was shot from. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #146

Sorry, but the books I have read beg to differ. nt. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #147

You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #153

Back at ya. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #156

I'm sorry for you. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #148

Interns and doctors trying desperately to save JFK's life vs. a lengthy, laborious autopsy Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #136

See post #131. nt. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #139

"legitimate researchers" zappaman Mar 2013 #130

Kicked for the anniversary cpwm17 Nov 2013 #245

No matter how many insist that the Warren Report was right, meanit Nov 2013 #246

Argument ad populum is a fallacy on either side of the issue. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #247

More evidence may still be out there meanit Nov 2013 #248

Perhaps for Oswald's associates. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #249