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In reply to the discussion: Osama Confession Video [View all]The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)1. One way or another, we're being lied to.
The truth is not some intangible chimera that is left up to interpretation when it comes to some things. There are things that are simply true, and simply false. The tools by which we arrive at the truth are sharp and surgical. They involve reason, facts, and critical questions.
Let's first start with your initial claim that there was an original video of bin Laden that was then changed to appear as a fake. From the video you've posted, this appears to be a possibility. As for where the image was taken from, freeze the video at 5:50 and you'll find it right around there. (I had great difficulty as my PC has a bug which makes it crash when I attempt to stream videos)
Let's start with reason.
What reason would the CIA have to fake such a thing? That answer is obvious. The administration was desperate to start a war as per their PNAC agenda. Top administration and Pentagon officials stated years before, in no uncertain terms, that they needed to invade the Middle East. So obviously, getting a 'confession' from bin Laden would work very well toward that end.
They had a reason to produce a video, one way or another, which created that impression.
What reason would the OV skeptics have to take the original video, change it, and claim it was entirely fake? None.... that would just be plain stupid given that there would be an original to compare it to. To get recruits? That would also be foolish because no one likes getting fooled, and it would only ultimately alienate support.
That last part there actually gives reason for OV adherents, like yourself, to manufacture a fake in order to discredit the skeptics. It wouldn't be the only Rovian attempt to do so given the ridiculous theories of holograms and UFO's that are out there.
So the only people for whom faking the video, in one way or another, would be an advantage would be the OV adherents, not the skeptics.
Now, we look at facts:
What facts do we have to work with here?
- The CIA/Pentagon, in whose interest it was to 'acquire' a confession, have told us that the bin Laden in the video is 'confessing' to knowledge of or responsibility for the attacks.
- The video depicts a man who bears some appearance to bin Laden, and could possibly be the man himself.
- The translation of the video has been very controversial as many Arab language scholars (not all Muslim) contend that the CIA's interpretation is wrong.
- The FBI, presumably aware of the video's existance, claimed that there was "No hard evidence" connecting bin Laden to 9/11.
- Video has always been considered 'hard evidence' by law enforcement.
Given those facts, we can come to a critical question that NO OV adherent has yet answered:
Why does the FBI not consider what we've been told is a confession "hard evidence" of bin Laden's involvement in 9/11?
When we apply reason again, there are only a few possible answers, and none of them can possibly be that the video represents a confession. The answers are:
a) The video is entirely faked, which would be child's play for the FBI to have determined.
-OR-
b) The CIA translation, for whatever reason, is false... which would also be easily determined.
Either way, we've been sold bad goods. The video is not any kind of 'confession'.
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So I say 'you have nothing', and ask for the *actual* refutations of the paper....
The Doctor.
Oct 2012
#65
We got here because in another thread I said that there is no hard evidence
The Doctor.
Oct 2012
#18
You seem to be having difficulty with the English Language and very simple concepts.
cpwm17
Oct 2012
#30
So a video of someone bragging about comitting a crime is not hard evidence?
The Doctor.
Oct 2012
#38
Your faulty logic, arrogant assertions, and outright distortions of what's been said in this thread
William Seger
Oct 2012
#49
Oh, so you think maybe bin Laden might have painted the buildings with exploding paint?
William Seger
Oct 2012
#56
Why should I expect that explaining it a fourth time would make a difference?
William Seger
Oct 2012
#44
Yer just about off the deep end here. I don't recall telling Tombs anything in person.
The Doctor.
Oct 2012
#46
Yes, you've convinced me that you'll keep repeating the same nonsense over and over
William Seger
Oct 2012
#59
That's rather authoritarian of you to accept the FBI so righteously, The Doctor.
Bolo Boffin
Oct 2012
#68
So now you believe there is a conspiracy theory that the FBI dismisses hard evidence?
The Doctor.
Nov 2012
#76
If you can't understand the words "hard evidence" when they are put together,
The Doctor.
Nov 2012
#79
I already showed you a link concerning Osama's claims of responsibility for 9-11
cpwm17
Nov 2012
#84