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napoleon_in_rags

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34. Same here.
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:33 PM
Dec 2011

I saw this good series, called "Prophets of SciFi", I think on the science channel. IT goes over how so many wacky ideas SciFi authors dreamed up have come to some kind of fruition. You've heard the old saying: "Life Imitates Art"? I think there is a lot of truth in that, more than most people know. So conspiracy stories, even when they are just stories, can get at certain truths. Also, perhaps more important, they can shape social truths, like propaganda is designed to do, but unwittingly.

Societies rise and fall based on the stories they believe in. Some time ago I was studying Soviet propaganda. It revolved largely around this fat, cigar smoking character in a top hat, 'the capitalist', who was the source of oppression for the people, and through his designs held them down from achieving the communist state. This created a short term common enemy facilitating social cohesion, but ultimately set in the people's minds the idea that communism was the natural state, just waiting to break out if this guy got out of the way. In retrospect, I can see how this weakened the communist cause, because in the end, there is no "the capitalist"...Capitalism is an emergent system, like a life form, that grows in certain conditions, decentralized in many facets. It was the communists who depended on centralized control by powerful soviets and individuals who chaired them. So in the end, while their stories addressed very real inequalities that emerge in capitalist systems, they were divorced from reality in their belief it was caused by a few malicious individuals, and that divorce from reality ultimately lead to their demise.

I bring all this up because I see the same trends largely playing out in the conspiracy scene. They address all these real evils, these real threats, but then the faces of this malicious elite are pasted on, like "the capitalist". But what I fear are not some evil malicious few, what I fear is a new kind of emergent entity, larger than any of us, who's designs are accomplished through the summation of our small, individual, and seemingly rational actions. (Check out my new cell phone! What tracking device!)

In other words what I fear most is not a conspiracy of them, but a conspiracy of us.

Is this the chemtrails forum? [View all] Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2011 OP
I expect this is the place for chemtrails Ohio Joe Dec 2011 #1
I'm not sure. Read this snippet from the Terms of Service: freshwest Dec 2011 #2
I had not seen that... or missed it Ohio Joe Dec 2011 #3
Huh zappaman Dec 2011 #4
Pointless speculation on my part. freshwest Dec 2011 #5
No, it does not Ohio Joe Dec 2011 #6
Video must be a problem. freshwest Dec 2011 #8
Re the video: Yep, it's there. greyl Dec 2011 #9
Thanks, but my browser doesn't give me full options. I can't reduce the size. freshwest Dec 2011 #10
You can safely disregard what I said. :) greyl Dec 2011 #12
Sticky wicket. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #7
The way I read the TOS, chemtrail and black helicopter stuff are not permitted at all. greyl Dec 2011 #11
"those discussions cannot stray too far into Crazyland" Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #13
Since "eg" means example, I take those to be examples of "too far into crazyland." greyl Dec 2011 #14
Bilderberg group and Trilateral Commission are real organizations covered by MSM, for god's sake! dixiegrrrrl Dec 2011 #15
I just quoted, I didn't make the rules. I edited out my own opinions. freshwest Dec 2011 #16
If they are discussed as what they really are, then they could be brought up all over DU, I'd think. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #17
"as what they really are" That's where I'm afraid it might get sticky. greyl Dec 2011 #18
When the REAL DU3 starts, this should be a VERY interesting group, then. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2011 #19
I had the same response when I read that Remember Me Dec 2011 #36
Chemtrails as "crazyland" --- ??? defendandprotect Dec 2011 #21
But there it is. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #22
Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #23
You say "Chemtrails are not speculation." I guess they don't belong in this group then. ;) nt greyl Dec 2011 #24
True -- chemtrails are acknowledged by Congress -- defendandprotect Dec 2011 #26
You know, I was thinking about this the other day as I looked out my window Remember Me Dec 2011 #35
Unfortunately, defendandprotect no longer has posting privileges here at DU. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #37
Oh, that sounds like a threat Remember Me Dec 2011 #38
It's not a threat. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #39
"those are not the chemtrails you were looking for" dixiegrrrrl Dec 2011 #40
????? Remember Me Dec 2011 #41
Play on words, if you are a Star Wars fan. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2011 #42
Oh, well I guess I'm not ENOUGH of one. Remember Me Dec 2011 #43
Oh lord, I must have gone to the first Star Wars over 20 times. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2011 #45
These are not the DU you are looking for Capn Sunshine Dec 2011 #46
+1 RZM Dec 2011 #44
It should be. If its going to be in "offbeat" and be called "creative speculation".... napoleon_in_rags Dec 2011 #20
My reading of the TOS would allow aliens, but not alien abduction or chemtrails. nt greyl Dec 2011 #25
The TOS needs some updating -- defendandprotect Dec 2011 #28
If you feel that way, why did you agree to it? nt greyl Dec 2011 #29
"Politically unacceptable discourse" -- !! defendandprotect Dec 2011 #27
Heavy on the WOO as well! zappaman Dec 2011 #30
The world is getting heavy on the WOO stuff. I read conspiracy stuff to relax, escape. napoleon_in_rags Dec 2011 #32
Me too: "I read conspiracy stuff to relax, escape" Merlot Dec 2011 #33
Same here. napoleon_in_rags Dec 2011 #34
What, its a direct labeling of what it is. napoleon_in_rags Dec 2011 #31
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