Creative Speculation

Shagman

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89. another source

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 09:41 AM

Jun 2012

Another opinion, well informed, from Russ Baker: "Someone Would Have Talked? Someone Would Be Crazy."

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There are mechanisms in place to intimidate or neutralize whistle-blowers. Believing otherwise simply ignores the depths to which human nature can sink, as well as the way expediency can become ingrained in bureaucracy.

Also, reflexively assuming that conspiracies never happen is just as narrow-minded as assuming they always do.

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It is this simple regarding 9/11...NO ONE has ever came forward and said 'I was part of it!".... [View all] Logical Dec 2011 OP

logical fallacy n/t ottobahn Dec 2011 #1

What logical fallacy? cpwm17 Dec 2011 #4

the logical fallacy of argumentum e silentio (argument from silence) stockholmer Aug 2012 #102

The OP's argument is legitimate. cpwm17 Aug 2012 #105

Well I see that you're not going to be able to ever respond cpwm17 Aug 2012 #107

Wow... Stockholmer got canned. Quantess Aug 2012 #111

I believe it was for accusing the wrong country in a BS Kennedy assassination theory... cpwm17 Aug 2012 #112

LOL......that was a very detailed answer. Thanks! Logical Dec 2011 #2

Do you think Homeopathy is a scam? n/t ottobahn Dec 2011 #3

Yes, most of it. I saw a guy, at a speech, take a whole bottle of "GNC" sleeping pills before the... Logical Dec 2011 #5

So if you believe homeopathy is a scam, ottobahn Dec 2011 #6

You do not think I can find consumers of Homeopathy who say it is a scam? Seriously? Logical Dec 2011 #7

I'm talking people involved with it that would know it was a scam, not ottobahn Dec 2011 #8

The difference is that....... Logical Dec 2011 #11

But if Homeopathy is a scam, there's got to be scammers involved ottobahn Dec 2011 #14

There's no comparison to potential 9-11 conspirators cpwm17 Dec 2011 #17

If homeopathy is out in the open, seems more easy to out those who would know it's a scam. ottobahn Dec 2011 #18

how could anyone PROVE that homeopathy is a scam? OnTheOtherHand Dec 2011 #21

Not a scam as in ripping people off. A scam in it does not work. Logical Dec 2011 #19

It's not the same thing. Homeopathy can rely on the placebo effect. chrisa Jan 2012 #38

I know BlueMidwest Mar 2012 #63

That was James Randi n/t chrisa Jan 2012 #37

Yes it was!! n-t Logical Jan 2012 #39

I don't think there's much doubt that additional people were involved who have not been revealed. eomer Dec 2011 #9

So you do not think the whole 9/11 inside job would have taken 100s of people? Logical Dec 2011 #10

I'm not sure what you mean by "the whole 9/11 inside job". eomer Dec 2011 #12

My point is that someone would come forward at some point. If people..... Logical Dec 2011 #13

OK, so there are some specific scenarios that you think would require hundreds. eomer Dec 2011 #15

Neither has anyone involved with the 200+ yr old homeopathy 'scam' ottobahn Dec 2011 #16

A scam in that it does not work. Maybe a placebo effect but that is it. Logical Dec 2011 #20

Why not hire international terrorist Politicalboi Mar 2012 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #22

I was originally brought to this thread by jury Riftaxe Dec 2011 #23

A couple of thoughts on "why there is yet no proof". eomer Dec 2011 #24

And the fact that Politicalboi Mar 2012 #57

the answers would probably depend on the allegations OnTheOtherHand Dec 2011 #25

The thing that would prevent that scenario in my mind Riftaxe Jan 2012 #31

I haven't seen any good reason to believe CD OnTheOtherHand Jan 2012 #32

So squibs 30 stories below Politicalboi Mar 2012 #58

Why in the world would someone alert this OP? Logical Dec 2011 #26

Not the OP, post #22. Make7 Dec 2011 #27

yeah, I got called to jury on this post too. zappaman Dec 2011 #28

OK, thanks!! Logical Dec 2011 #29

so sorry for all the trouble. wildbilln864 Jan 2012 #30

Also, bin Laden said he did not do it 4dog Jan 2012 #33

Osama wasn't a big fan of dying cpwm17 Jan 2012 #34

'OBL wasn't a big fan of dying' gyroscope Jan 2012 #40

Nothing that he said denied his actual role in the attack. n/t Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #35

This sounds to me like a denial: 4dog Jan 2012 #36

Why would anyone ever admit to mass murder? gyroscope Jan 2012 #41

The conspiracy people say no one knew the whole plan. So maybe a underling would realize they.... Logical Jan 2012 #42

Yeah right gyroscope Jan 2012 #43

I can find thousands that will say the hijackers did it. You.... Logical Jan 2012 #44

you left out birthers. zappaman Jan 2012 #45

Great point! Fiction is more fun! Logical Jan 2012 #46

Keep beating that strawman to death gyroscope Jan 2012 #48

Keep living in fantasyland gyroscope Jan 2012 #47

LOL......yes, because the world will end in 2012 and JFK is still alive in a hospital wing!! Logical Jan 2012 #49

with ELVIS! BobbyBoring Feb 2012 #50

Don't forget Tupac n/t RZM Feb 2012 #53

"Building 7 colkasped from fires!" stockholmer Aug 2012 #101

That's the conclusion of the scientists and engineers that studied the collapse. cpwm17 Aug 2012 #106

It is obvious 9/11 was not carried out by anyone but the 16 hijackers. Politicalboi Mar 2012 #59

There were 19 hijackers zappaman Mar 2012 #60

So, You've talked to every person in the world and came to this conclusion? Ghost in the Machine Feb 2012 #51

really, that is interesting! Celebration Feb 2012 #52

maybe it was the team that did the tight rope walk years ago. Maybe this was a ten year plan. They earcandle Feb 2012 #54

Because with this crowd Politicalboi Mar 2012 #55

a little context Shagman Mar 2012 #61

Duh! Many mobsters have written books! People leaked the Manhattan Project! The... Logical Mar 2012 #64

another source Shagman Jun 2012 #89

Excellent link, thank you. dougolat Sep 2012 #115

aagreed BlueMidwest Mar 2012 #62

no one owned up yet Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2012 #65

Again. Why would anyone ever admit to being part of a mass murder? gyroscope May 2012 #66

You keep asking this paired set of rhetorical questions as if it means anythings or proves something apocalypsehow May 2012 #67

You wish gyroscope May 2012 #68

I "wish" nothing, for the facts are on my side, not yours. It really is that simple. n/t. apocalypsehow May 2012 #70

You have offered no facts gyroscope May 2012 #74

Uh-huh. n/t. apocalypsehow May 2012 #85

Why not a deathbed confession? nt hack89 May 2012 #71

You been watching too many Hollywood movies gyroscope May 2012 #73

That's funny - massive secret government conspiracies are a staple of Hollywood movies hack89 May 2012 #77

Who would they confess to? gyroscope May 2012 #76

Top 10 deathbed confession hack89 May 2012 #78

Meaningless speculation gyroscope May 2012 #80

Too funny! zappaman May 2012 #82

And in your world gyroscope May 2012 #83

No, in my world zappaman May 2012 #84

You just broke my irony meter hack89 May 2012 #86

I agree SoutherDem May 2012 #69

You watch a lot of movies? gyroscope May 2012 #75

Why? SoutherDem May 2012 #79

You can speculate about deathbed confessions until the cows come home gyroscope May 2012 #81

How many are dead Why Syzygy May 2012 #72

But there are plenty of witnesses... deadinsider May 2012 #87

And more... deadinsider May 2012 #88

No one who's still alive. Eddie Haskell Jul 2012 #90

Proof Positive of an Insider coming Forward!... Indi Guy Aug 2012 #91

Why would it have taken "100s" or "1000s" to "pull off"? R.A.R Aug 2012 #92

Yes, you're right! Frank_Norris_Lives Aug 2012 #93

A person could probably find a quote to support, or deny, anything. R.A.R Aug 2012 #95

Hmmmmm.....I was thinking.... Frank_Norris_Lives Aug 2012 #96

"too many things worked in favor of the hijackers for coincidence" R.A.R Aug 2012 #109

I can think of these coincidences without digging too far... Frank_Norris_Lives Aug 2012 #110

+100000000 It is all about compartmentalisation, For instance, Able Danger, IMHO was patsy control, stockholmer Aug 2012 #100

How about if we call it...... Frank_Norris_Lives Aug 2012 #113

A person who would state that "100s" or "1000s" would be required, hasn't given it much thought. R.A.R Aug 2012 #94

OK, then here's your chance to give a plausible explanation on how 9-11 went down. cpwm17 Aug 2012 #97

Ok! Let me creatively speculate that..... Frank_Norris_Lives Aug 2012 #98

You make vague assertions cpwm17 Aug 2012 #99

Look at the Iran-Contra affair..... Frank_Norris_Lives Aug 2012 #103

Still Iran-Contra was exposed cpwm17 Aug 2012 #104

Still, it was exposed by accident... Frank_Norris_Lives Aug 2012 #108

It is this simple regarding 9/11...NO ONE has ever came forward and said 'I was part of it!".... Indi Guy Sep 2012 #114

LIHOP... PopeOxycontinI Sep 2012 #116

It wouldn't take 100's or 1000's, just PNAC and crew and a death pledge Politicalboi Sep 2012 #117

Lance Armstrong makes the case, I think. BB1 Oct 2012 #118