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In reply to the discussion: I'm lost on terminology; i.e. free fall [View all]William Seger
(11,031 posts)22. Wrong again
Actually, Bazant is one of the few analyses I've seen that DOESN'T try to calculate the impact energy from the velocity of the falling mass. Just so you know, here's what he really does:
After a drop through at least the height h of one story heated by fire (stage 3 in Fig. 2 top), the mass of the upper part of each tower has lost enormous gravitational energy, equal to m g h. Because the energy dissipation by buckling of the hot columns must have been negligible by comparison, most of this energy must have been converted into kinetic energy K = m v^2 / 2 of the upper part of tower, moving at velocity v.
In other words, since he is constructing an energy analysis, he starts by assuming that a mass m at a height of h has a gravitational potential energy of m g h which must go somewhere if that mass falls h. In terms of the energy, it doesn't matter how fast the fall is; Bazant is saying that much potential energy must be accounted for. He then says that the energy required to buckle those first columns was negligible by comparison, and seeing no other energy sink, he assumes that it was converted to kinetic energy, and you could use the formula he provided to calculate the velocity. In other words, you could say he derived the velocity from the energy, not the other way around, but it's the energy he's concerned with, anyway.
If you would like to say he is wrong, you will need to explain where the energy disappeared to.
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You're right. But some people here apparently believe buildings are supposed to collapse slowly.
TheWraith
Dec 2011
#1
no, I don't think free fall is inherently contrary to a controlled demolition hypothesis
OnTheOtherHand
Jan 2012
#6
Oh, so it was just another pointless red herring, devoid of any actual argument?
William Seger
Jan 2012
#29
"I am stating that he is the only 9/11 researcher who is claiming free fall"
Bolo Boffin
Jan 2012
#36
There is nothing for me to be embarrassed about here, particularly in regard to Bazant.
Bolo Boffin
Jan 2012
#38
again, this refutes your point literally on its face, and more thoroughly in context
OnTheOtherHand
Jan 2012
#43
Shyam Sunder said the towers fell in 9 seconds and 11 seconds, and he said that was freefall.
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#50
Can you calculate what the "free fall" time would be for a building resembling the twin towers?
AZCat
Dec 2013
#51
Where do you get the idea that I have a problem with the bulk of the information
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#54
Why, no, not at all! I'm sure your understanding of it eclipses mine completely! nt
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#60
You neither demonstrate your competence nor my incompetence. You make empty claims. nt
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#80