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In reply to the discussion: North Tower Acceleration [View all]cpwm17
(3,829 posts)46. I didn't say they fell at free-fall speed
There was some resistance to the collapse from the strength of the structures themselves. The buildings absorbed some of the energy of the collapses. There was less resistance between the floors.
As the towers fell they collected more mass from the lower sections. This mass contributed to the collapse further down the building. But this mass collected from the lower sections started from a zero velocity, so this mass slowed down the collapse due to conservation of momentum.
For the upper portion to EXERT THAT FORCE would REQUIRE IT TO DECELERATE. IF IT'S NOT DECELERATING, IT'S NOT EXERTING A FORCE. Because there's nothing to exert it against.
The towers would only be guaranteed to decelerate if gravity disappeared during the floor collisions. Gravity is always there, and gravity is what is accelerating the towers downward in the first place. You have to analyze the relative forces to determine if the collapse decelerates or continues accelerating downward.
Dropping an object from a dozen feet (approximate distance between floors) exerts many time the force than if you just placed the object gently. The towers weren't design to support a force many times the static weight of a multi-floor section of the buildings. A complete collapse was guaranteed once it began.
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Good video! It's certain to generate snark and slander and not much else by way of rebuttal. K&R (nt
T S Justly
Dec 2011
#19
Thanks, I think. Lol. But the video still trumps nonsensical Bush Era "science". (nt)
T S Justly
Dec 2011
#30
Lol, but yes. The videos have laid waste to Bush and his doctrinaires' output. (nt)
T S Justly
Dec 2011
#32
Rather, it is I who supports Chandler's video evidence of NIST/Commission fraud ...
T S Justly
Dec 2011
#35
Most of what we know about 9/11 didn't come from the "Bush administration"
William Seger
Dec 2011
#36
Most of what we know about 9/11 didn't come from the "Bush administration" - Lol, that is true. (nt)
T S Justly
Dec 2011
#37
"The lower block only slowed down the acceleration of the upper block's mass....
jesters
Jan 2012
#43
"Bazant's cartoon model which has largely been discarded by both sides of the debate now"
Bolo Boffin
Jan 2012
#44
I don't see the problem with you providing a properly labelled free body diagram
Bolo Boffin
Jan 2012
#54
"Bazant Zhou shows that the upper section would have had ~31 times the energy necessary
jesters
Jan 2012
#59
Yup, that's a clue. The section "Elastic Dynamic Analysis" is a little less obvious, but...
William Seger
Jan 2012
#89
"shown to be wrong by numerous independent analyses, on both sides of the debate."
Bolo Boffin
Jan 2012
#74
Please provide the proof of physical and mathematical impossibility of 30% resistance.
AZCat
Jan 2012
#79
"The calculations have been done by many others." Which you continue to omit to link to.
Bolo Boffin
Jan 2012
#85
Fortunately the lower section can absorb the energy. A miracle of highrise engineering.
jesters
Jan 2012
#92
No, but I have noticed so-called "truthers" assert amazing things without evidence
zappaman
Jan 2012
#102
"The lower structure can absorb the energy. That's what I've been saying for the last 18 posts."
Bolo Boffin
Jan 2012
#95
Hmm. No links, no properly labeled free body diagram. Goodbye, jesters. n/t
Bolo Boffin
Jan 2012
#99
"don't be presenting the Bazant model as if it doesn't have fatal flaws" Links, please.
Bolo Boffin
Jan 2012
#148
after further review, Greening is NOT distinguishing between fracturing and pulverization
OnTheOtherHand
Jan 2012
#181
Not momentum loss; "momentum losses," Ross' term for the kinetic energy lost
William Seger
Jan 2012
#201
You are member of a tiny internet fringe group - lets not forget that simple fact
hack89
Jan 2012
#135
"intact 80 - 90-storey steel framed highrise" - just popping in to point out
Bolo Boffin
Jan 2012
#128
What I've noticed is that post #5 is still sitting there, unanswered. (n/t)
William Seger
Jan 2012
#83
A physics "gotcha"? No, you'd have to hand that to the guy who figured it out in the first place.
AZCat
Jan 2012
#125
You didn't respond to my questioning of your statement contradicting the second law.
AZCat
Jan 2012
#133
It doesn't matter if the bodies are moving or not, the second law still applies.
AZCat
Jan 2012
#137
You're assuming the buildings had a normal ability to withstand forces after collapse initiations
cpwm17
Jan 2012
#63