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OnTheOtherHand

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21. how could anyone PROVE that homeopathy is a scam?

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:38 PM

Dec 2011

Homeopaths claim that their treatments are tailored to individual patients and conditions. Homeopathy is unfalsifiable (which is not a good thing). Presumably one could prove that a particular homeopath didn't believe in the efficacy of his or her own treatments, but that would no more rebut homeopathy than exposing a doctor as a quack rebuts mainstream medicine.

I think homeopathy is a scam in the sense that it has no medical merit, but I don't know that it is a scam in the sense that it depends upon conscious scammers. I suspect that most of its practitioners believe in it. Regardless, no conspiracy is required.

That said, unless someone specifies a particular 9/11 conspiracy scenario, there is no way to know how many people would have to be involved. The general premise that "the Official Story is untrue" is, in fact, unfalsifiable -- and perhaps trivially true, depending on what is meant by "the Official Story."

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It is this simple regarding 9/11...NO ONE has ever came forward and said 'I was part of it!".... [View all] Logical Dec 2011 OP

logical fallacy n/t ottobahn Dec 2011 #1

What logical fallacy? cpwm17 Dec 2011 #4

the logical fallacy of argumentum e silentio (argument from silence) stockholmer Aug 2012 #102

The OP's argument is legitimate. cpwm17 Aug 2012 #105

Well I see that you're not going to be able to ever respond cpwm17 Aug 2012 #107

Wow... Stockholmer got canned. Quantess Aug 2012 #111

I believe it was for accusing the wrong country in a BS Kennedy assassination theory... cpwm17 Aug 2012 #112

LOL......that was a very detailed answer. Thanks! Logical Dec 2011 #2

Do you think Homeopathy is a scam? n/t ottobahn Dec 2011 #3

Yes, most of it. I saw a guy, at a speech, take a whole bottle of "GNC" sleeping pills before the... Logical Dec 2011 #5

So if you believe homeopathy is a scam, ottobahn Dec 2011 #6

You do not think I can find consumers of Homeopathy who say it is a scam? Seriously? Logical Dec 2011 #7

I'm talking people involved with it that would know it was a scam, not ottobahn Dec 2011 #8

The difference is that....... Logical Dec 2011 #11

But if Homeopathy is a scam, there's got to be scammers involved ottobahn Dec 2011 #14

There's no comparison to potential 9-11 conspirators cpwm17 Dec 2011 #17

If homeopathy is out in the open, seems more easy to out those who would know it's a scam. ottobahn Dec 2011 #18

how could anyone PROVE that homeopathy is a scam? OnTheOtherHand Dec 2011 #21

Not a scam as in ripping people off. A scam in it does not work. Logical Dec 2011 #19

It's not the same thing. Homeopathy can rely on the placebo effect. chrisa Jan 2012 #38

I know BlueMidwest Mar 2012 #63

That was James Randi n/t chrisa Jan 2012 #37

Yes it was!! n-t Logical Jan 2012 #39

I don't think there's much doubt that additional people were involved who have not been revealed. eomer Dec 2011 #9

So you do not think the whole 9/11 inside job would have taken 100s of people? Logical Dec 2011 #10

I'm not sure what you mean by "the whole 9/11 inside job". eomer Dec 2011 #12

My point is that someone would come forward at some point. If people..... Logical Dec 2011 #13

OK, so there are some specific scenarios that you think would require hundreds. eomer Dec 2011 #15

Neither has anyone involved with the 200+ yr old homeopathy 'scam' ottobahn Dec 2011 #16

A scam in that it does not work. Maybe a placebo effect but that is it. Logical Dec 2011 #20

Why not hire international terrorist Politicalboi Mar 2012 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author wildbilln864 Dec 2011 #22

I was originally brought to this thread by jury Riftaxe Dec 2011 #23

A couple of thoughts on "why there is yet no proof". eomer Dec 2011 #24

And the fact that Politicalboi Mar 2012 #57

the answers would probably depend on the allegations OnTheOtherHand Dec 2011 #25

The thing that would prevent that scenario in my mind Riftaxe Jan 2012 #31

I haven't seen any good reason to believe CD OnTheOtherHand Jan 2012 #32

So squibs 30 stories below Politicalboi Mar 2012 #58

Why in the world would someone alert this OP? Logical Dec 2011 #26

Not the OP, post #22. Make7 Dec 2011 #27

yeah, I got called to jury on this post too. zappaman Dec 2011 #28

OK, thanks!! Logical Dec 2011 #29

so sorry for all the trouble. wildbilln864 Jan 2012 #30

Also, bin Laden said he did not do it 4dog Jan 2012 #33

Osama wasn't a big fan of dying cpwm17 Jan 2012 #34

'OBL wasn't a big fan of dying' gyroscope Jan 2012 #40

Nothing that he said denied his actual role in the attack. n/t Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #35

This sounds to me like a denial: 4dog Jan 2012 #36

Why would anyone ever admit to mass murder? gyroscope Jan 2012 #41

The conspiracy people say no one knew the whole plan. So maybe a underling would realize they.... Logical Jan 2012 #42

Yeah right gyroscope Jan 2012 #43

I can find thousands that will say the hijackers did it. You.... Logical Jan 2012 #44

you left out birthers. zappaman Jan 2012 #45

Great point! Fiction is more fun! Logical Jan 2012 #46

Keep beating that strawman to death gyroscope Jan 2012 #48

Keep living in fantasyland gyroscope Jan 2012 #47

LOL......yes, because the world will end in 2012 and JFK is still alive in a hospital wing!! Logical Jan 2012 #49

with ELVIS! BobbyBoring Feb 2012 #50

Don't forget Tupac n/t RZM Feb 2012 #53

"Building 7 colkasped from fires!" stockholmer Aug 2012 #101

That's the conclusion of the scientists and engineers that studied the collapse. cpwm17 Aug 2012 #106

It is obvious 9/11 was not carried out by anyone but the 16 hijackers. Politicalboi Mar 2012 #59

There were 19 hijackers zappaman Mar 2012 #60

So, You've talked to every person in the world and came to this conclusion? Ghost in the Machine Feb 2012 #51

really, that is interesting! Celebration Feb 2012 #52

maybe it was the team that did the tight rope walk years ago. Maybe this was a ten year plan. They earcandle Feb 2012 #54

Because with this crowd Politicalboi Mar 2012 #55

a little context Shagman Mar 2012 #61

Duh! Many mobsters have written books! People leaked the Manhattan Project! The... Logical Mar 2012 #64

another source Shagman Jun 2012 #89

Excellent link, thank you. dougolat Sep 2012 #115

aagreed BlueMidwest Mar 2012 #62

no one owned up yet Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2012 #65

Again. Why would anyone ever admit to being part of a mass murder? gyroscope May 2012 #66

You keep asking this paired set of rhetorical questions as if it means anythings or proves something apocalypsehow May 2012 #67

You wish gyroscope May 2012 #68

I "wish" nothing, for the facts are on my side, not yours. It really is that simple. n/t. apocalypsehow May 2012 #70

You have offered no facts gyroscope May 2012 #74

Uh-huh. n/t. apocalypsehow May 2012 #85

Why not a deathbed confession? nt hack89 May 2012 #71

You been watching too many Hollywood movies gyroscope May 2012 #73

That's funny - massive secret government conspiracies are a staple of Hollywood movies hack89 May 2012 #77

Who would they confess to? gyroscope May 2012 #76

Top 10 deathbed confession hack89 May 2012 #78

Meaningless speculation gyroscope May 2012 #80

Too funny! zappaman May 2012 #82

And in your world gyroscope May 2012 #83

No, in my world zappaman May 2012 #84

You just broke my irony meter hack89 May 2012 #86

I agree SoutherDem May 2012 #69

You watch a lot of movies? gyroscope May 2012 #75

Why? SoutherDem May 2012 #79

You can speculate about deathbed confessions until the cows come home gyroscope May 2012 #81

How many are dead Why Syzygy May 2012 #72

But there are plenty of witnesses... deadinsider May 2012 #87

And more... deadinsider May 2012 #88

No one who's still alive. Eddie Haskell Jul 2012 #90

Proof Positive of an Insider coming Forward!... Indi Guy Aug 2012 #91

Why would it have taken "100s" or "1000s" to "pull off"? R.A.R Aug 2012 #92

Yes, you're right! Frank_Norris_Lives Aug 2012 #93

A person could probably find a quote to support, or deny, anything. R.A.R Aug 2012 #95

Hmmmmm.....I was thinking.... Frank_Norris_Lives Aug 2012 #96

"too many things worked in favor of the hijackers for coincidence" R.A.R Aug 2012 #109

I can think of these coincidences without digging too far... Frank_Norris_Lives Aug 2012 #110

+100000000 It is all about compartmentalisation, For instance, Able Danger, IMHO was patsy control, stockholmer Aug 2012 #100

How about if we call it...... Frank_Norris_Lives Aug 2012 #113

A person who would state that "100s" or "1000s" would be required, hasn't given it much thought. R.A.R Aug 2012 #94

OK, then here's your chance to give a plausible explanation on how 9-11 went down. cpwm17 Aug 2012 #97

Ok! Let me creatively speculate that..... Frank_Norris_Lives Aug 2012 #98

You make vague assertions cpwm17 Aug 2012 #99

Look at the Iran-Contra affair..... Frank_Norris_Lives Aug 2012 #103

Still Iran-Contra was exposed cpwm17 Aug 2012 #104

Still, it was exposed by accident... Frank_Norris_Lives Aug 2012 #108

It is this simple regarding 9/11...NO ONE has ever came forward and said 'I was part of it!".... Indi Guy Sep 2012 #114

LIHOP... PopeOxycontinI Sep 2012 #116

It wouldn't take 100's or 1000's, just PNAC and crew and a death pledge Politicalboi Sep 2012 #117

Lance Armstrong makes the case, I think. BB1 Oct 2012 #118