Has anyone seen the list of hosts for this group? Thoughts?

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44. Perhaps you can teach me to be more succinct, cuz here I go again.........at length :[

OTOH - "You write, "You're an idiot to think as you do is clearly verboten," but I can't tell whether you mean that you think it's acceptable to censor personal attacks, or not. I think that it is."

AQ - "Attack the idea and not the person, said she who's certainly at some point been guilty of non-compliance. I see a host cracking down on that sort of the thing...."

--so, yes, I very much agree that attacking a person should be censored. Come to think of it, I just received a personal message (not you nor anyone else with whom I have ever shared words with on this or any other thread) sent me a rather nasty note suggesting in the very strongest of terms that I withdraw myself from the gene pool. I was somewhat taken back but amused at the same time - Who does that sort of thing? Besides, he's far too late--my genes have already been passed on. Oh, oh, I can hear him now, "WTF"!!!!!!



You're absolutely right, particularly given your example, Mitt Romney - or any of the current batch of Rethug reprobates. However, having said that, I think it's quite possible (if not probable) that there could come a time when a Republican candidate might be better option over a Democrat. I've never voted along party lines. In Canada, you can oftentimes see people switch from one party to another to another. We never declare what we are Liberal, Conservative, NDP, Green for that reason and because a long time back we believed our vote was sacred and was not to be disclosed to anyone. There was a time when even husband and wife would not declare to each other which way they were going to vote. But in general, I don't have a good view of political parties either here or in the States, but I'll spare you the details.

OTOH " don't follow the reasoning. If the point is that people in power often don't mind hurting innocents, I certainly agree with that. But I think there are lots of things that have killed three thousand people or more that weren't inside jobs. "

Guess we're going to have to agree to disagree. It is a mindset of which I speak. The millions I came up with are the result of ruined lives (and by extension familes) of incarcerated people (Prisons are an industry!!! Pure capitalism with no concern for democracy or justice) in for marijuana is a travesty, exceedingly political, and has nothing to do with the characteristics of marijuana, ESPECIALLY vis-a-vis alcohol. There is a lot more to this than meets the eye. Then take the millions who go without benefit of medical care and medicine because they can't afford it and those who can afford it only because their work covers them but after that they are finished because they can't afford the premiums. Your system (and our soon to be system if Harper has his way) is profit for sickness which in a civilized country should just never be). People are dying in the U.S. all the time because of non-existent health care for those without the $$$$. When an administration allows its people to be unnecessarily incarcerated and left dying and/or in great pain, you have an administration that would not hesitate to sacrifice 3000 lives for the sake of shoring up the war machine. None whatever.

The injustices that lie within the U.S. are so egregious. That by extrapolation is a strong indication to me that people are not uppermost in the minds of the ruling classes. People are dispensable. That the U.S. and yes, the U.K. would send its young men and women to war on a whim (911 or not they had no proof of anything, especially in light of Bushco declaring they couldn't possibly have seen this coming and yet they claim to have solved the mystery in a mere matter of hours and days--completely and totally unbelieavable to me). Four thousand of some of your best have died--and for what? Again, people are dispensable so long as money can be made. Big money. Humungous amounts of money.

Torture admitted to and would do again - People are dispensable. There are contractors involved. Sadism at its possible worst We in Canada were a little sneakier cuz we took one of ours knowing full well we had nothing on him and turned him over to the U.S. (and why? because the U.S. wanted him, that's why) who in turn turned him over to Syria where he was systematically tortured. Oh, that was a winner. So, again, I'm not toting my country up as being the paragon of virtue. Ha! That would be the frosty Friday. In fact, we're getting closer to your system with every minute that our P.M. remains in office. And I don't like what I see coming down the pike in that regard.

Your country has systematically gone into other countries stirring up whatever and in whatever way necessary to get what capitalism wants. Your country and that of the U.K., and a few others of the Willing have killed and maimed well over 1 MILLION Iraqis in order that you may bring them democracy. People are dispensable for the right cause--the cause of runaway Capitalism.

So a mere 3,000 people on 911--3,000 more than either you or I could ever possibly condone would, to the administration, mean zilch. It's a hard pill to swallow which is precisely why the people of the U.S. are not willing to do the swallowing. And I can in many ways understand that. I have spent a lot of time in the U.S. and I can tell you that I never met a Yank I didn't like--as hosts--the best. Of course had I met all of you, you wouldn't come out any better than people in any other country including my own. Guess I got really lucky. But to a person, had I posed the idea that their ruling elite could sacrifice 3000 people on U.S. soil so that war could commence, they'd have told me I had rocks in my head (if that, indeed, was what I could call it!). And just why couldn't they suppose their government could do such a thing? Because they themselves couldn't relate in any way whatever. But they are starting to piece things together. They're starting to reflect that maybe, just maybe, the U.S. is really no better than a lot of countries out there--that their ruling classes are exactly the same as all ruling classes. The ruling classes think differently--and can never be mistaken for people with empathy for their fellow man; e.g., Everyman from EveryCountry.

And finally, you can check this out if ever you cared to (or perhaps already have). Democracy is anethema to the ruling classes. Democracy does not work for them which is why we are increasingly going to see it dwindle down to nothing.

As for whether "they" are capable of pulling a 911 off or whether "they" did pull it off, we may never know until a full investigation can be launched by independent parties (choosing that group will be a daunting if not impossible task in and of itself).

This debate can go on forever and day and neither side can claim that it is right. All I have ever maintained is that I BELIEVE that Bushco was responsible in large part for 911 and as a betting person, I believe that I (among others) have nailed it.

Proof? None, Zilch, Zippo - but then the "foxes" have none either.

Whether we agree or disagree, I can honestly say that I've enjoyed this exchange. And to show you just how vulnerable I can make myself......the following............... There is not a lot that I am adamant about. I generally see lots of gray areas within which lots of different shades.............so I can be persuaded especially when someone can show me a gray I haven't seen before. But on this 911 thing, I find myself being so adamant, I sometimes can't believe just how adamant I am. I am wellllllllll ADAMANT!!!