Israel/Palestine

aranthus

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250. As I said to another poster, you don't get to define Zionism.

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:44 PM

Dec 2012

It has had and still has a very specific meaning. If you want to argue that those who want to "finish the job" are motivated by Jewish chavanism and not Zionism, I have no problem with that. But they are exceeding what Zionism was and is about when they say or suggest such things.

And the article makes a very specific argument: "Why are these individuals also anti-Semitic? Because anti-Zionism revolves around the horrifying notion that the Jewish people are not an ethnic group, but are merely members of a religion."

And to answer your coming question, yes, Jews who do not believe that the Jews are a people are per se antisemitic. Even TTJ and Neturei Karta believe in a Jewish people. Peoplehood is one of the fundamental elements of Judaism. If you reject that, then you are engaging in antisemitism.

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Yes, anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism [View all] shira Sep 2012 OP

Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism: Robert Wistrich shira Sep 2012 #1

Yes, but anti-Netanyahu is not the same as anti-Semitism. INMO Iran deal is good for Israel meir34 Aug 2015 #440

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #447

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby May 2019 #480

So, does this mean... Troggle Sep 2012 #2

No oberliner Sep 2012 #4

Of course I know that for people afflicted with decency and common sense criticism is possible... Troggle Sep 2012 #5

The author wrote about anti-zionist ideology, not criticism of Israel being antisemitic. shira Sep 2012 #6

Not all forms of anti-Zionism are the same. Ken Burch Sep 2012 #26

Name an anti-zionist movement today that doesn't tolerate.... shira Sep 2012 #29

I'd say that anti-zionists among almost all those that exist in North America, the UK and Europe Ken Burch Sep 2012 #32

If anti-zionists are staunch opponents of antisemitism.... shira Sep 2012 #33

Just a quick note. Bradlad Sep 2012 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author azurnoir Dec 2012 #166

yep same question gets asked about US Muslims all the time 'cause we all know azurnoir Sep 2012 #52

Just pointing out anti-Zionists aren't that interested.... shira Sep 2012 #58

I could repeat post #52 it still applies n/t azurnoir Sep 2012 #67

If it's about #52, at least there plenty of Muslims to denounce... shira Sep 2012 #68

so you are now saying that Jews are a race? well okay if you believe that n/t azurnoir Sep 2012 #70

Oh, I get it. Anti-racist activism doesn't apply to Jews... shira Sep 2012 #72

Israel's more progressive than the USA, and by a wide margin. JLII Dec 2012 #141

Yeah. Gay rights, environment, healthcare, better trade unions... shira Dec 2012 #143

Thanks JLII Dec 2012 #148

Also, Israel cares and provides for its children, poor and elderly far better than does the US. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #203

Group cuts Holocaust survivors' aid by 20% also claims that 1 in 4 Israelis in poverty azurnoir Dec 2012 #292

I spoke to someone who just returned from a visit in Israel JDPriestly Dec 2012 #300

Who made you Wolf Blitzer? Scootaloo Dec 2012 #312

easily both could be true azurnoir Dec 2012 #315

don't forget those segregated buses, dear Shira! cali May 2013 #360

Are you confused? There are no segregated buses in Israel, dear. shira May 2013 #362

Yup. aquart Sep 2012 #3

God, Torah and Israel are one. aranthus Sep 2012 #7

Huh.... No. Shaktimaan Sep 2012 #8

Great post. n/t shira Sep 2012 #11

I'd say you both have good points but . Bradlad Sep 2012 #12

Here is where we disagree. aranthus Sep 2012 #13

Uh, no...Jewish athiests and agnostics don't believe that. Ken Burch Sep 2012 #27

Of course they do. aranthus Sep 2012 #41

Logically, people who don't believe in God are not going to believe Ken Burch Sep 2012 #42

Where did you study logic? Go back there and ask for your money back. doxyluv13 Oct 2012 #107

It's possible, but in practice anti-zionists tend to hate.... shira Oct 2012 #109

Before you criticize, first understand what you are talking about. aranthus Oct 2012 #117

Most religious Jews opposed Zionism prior to 1948... shaayecanaan Sep 2012 #9

Those Jews didn't routinely utilize old, bigoted tropes like anti-zios today... shira Sep 2012 #10

thanks for linking to that post where you show that Palestinians including children azurnoir Sep 2012 #14

Yes, of course. There's zero antisemitism in those videos... shira Sep 2012 #18

Your claim was that "anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism" shaayecanaan Sep 2012 #16

It is today, without question. n/t shira Sep 2012 #17

What about last Tuesday? Was it anti-semitic then? (nt) shaayecanaan Sep 2012 #19

Brilliant. But let's face it.... shira Sep 2012 #20

I'm not sure anyone here would have heard of Lauren Booth... shaayecanaan Sep 2012 #21

I only know about Lauren Booth because she's the sister-in-law of Tony Blair. LeftishBrit Sep 2012 #24

LB, what do you know of PSC's Tony Greenstein.... shira Sep 2012 #73

Don't know a lot about him; think he tends to be more idealistic than realistic in most of his views LeftishBrit Sep 2012 #74

I just googled him. Tony Greenstein co-founded the PSC... shira Sep 2012 #77

Poor old Gilad Atzmon shaayecanaan Sep 2012 #75

He has quite the fan club. Ever heard of these guys.... shira Sep 2012 #76

bar one or two, i havent heard of any of them nt shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #81

I would hardly call these the 'leaders' of any movement LeftishBrit Sep 2012 #23

They're well respected within the movement. I could've mentioned... shira Sep 2012 #30

Greta Berlin is a leader for the Free Gaza Movement.... shira Oct 2012 #101

Excellent post, Shaayecanaan. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #128

Anti-Zionism can be antisemitism but need not be LeftishBrit Sep 2012 #15

Well-put. Ken Burch Sep 2012 #22

You say some people are against all forms of nationalism.... shira Sep 2012 #31

anti-Zionism can be anti-Semitism...but it doesn't have to be. Ken Burch Sep 2012 #25

In theory it doesn't have to be. In practice it is. n/t shira Oct 2012 #80

In practice it isn't necessarily either. And it serves no purpose to demonize non-Zionists. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #82

The vast majority of anti-zionists support anti-semitic organizations.... shira Oct 2012 #83

Resisting Israeli authority in the West Bank is NOT "hating Jews" Ken Burch Oct 2012 #84

When PeaceNow works for Palestinian Rights, THAT is not hating Jews... shira Oct 2012 #85

As if you EVER supported Peace Now. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #86

Now you're deflecting, but at least I know that you now realize... shira Oct 2012 #88

I NEVER said that anti-zionists(most of who are NOT "Jew-haters")were the ONLY ones Ken Burch Oct 2012 #90

Most are not jew-haters. Not the ISM, FGM, PSC, BDS.... shira Oct 2012 #93

The subject is that you accused me of saying something I NEVER said. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #96

That's how I understood your posts about anti-zionists, Ken shira Oct 2012 #102

I accept the apology-still, I am serious about challenging the claim that antizionist=antisemite. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #103

Greta Berlin not only lied in her apology, she posted a Nazi documentary film shira Oct 2012 #104

I denounce Greta Berlin...never heard of her before this. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #108

She's only the co-founder of Free Gaza, a movement supported.... shira Oct 2012 #110

All we know is that the person who wrote the OP SAID they were silent. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #113

Ali Abunimah of EI tweeted about the silence... shira Oct 2012 #114

I have a serious question here. Israel is being referred to as a "Jewish state." rateyes Sep 2012 #28

You're wrong on both counts. shira Sep 2012 #34

So you are saying that my impression of Israel being a secular democracy rateyes Sep 2012 #37

Think of it as the homeland for the Jews rather than a Jewish homeland... shira Sep 2012 #44

another answer azurnoir Sep 2012 #35

Yeah, he doesn't really count. So Israel is still an ethnic supremacy. shira Sep 2012 #36

Get back to me when an Arab or Druze PM or President is elected we'll talk then okay? azurnoir Sep 2012 #39

No, you tried justifying the argument that Israel is either... shira Sep 2012 #45

not really but if that's what you want to think be my guest azurnoir Sep 2012 #46

Ah, but, looking at the demographics, rateyes Sep 2012 #38

IMO the "Arab demographic threat" is over played it was a big meme a few years back but azurnoir Sep 2012 #40

Portions of the Israeli population are giving a good account of themselves reproductively too. bemildred Sep 2012 #50

True enough azurnoir Sep 2012 #51

Jewish State doxyluv13 Oct 2012 #106

Gentleman's agreement? And you know this...how? shira Oct 2012 #111

So anti-zionism is equivalent to antisemitism? bemildred Sep 2012 #43

At the very, very least it's implicitly bigoted to oppose equal rights.... shira Sep 2012 #47

So I got "anti-zionism is bigoted", then. bemildred Sep 2012 #48

well of course because we all know that without Zionism azurnoir Sep 2012 #53

Nope King_David Sep 2012 #54

ya like I said azurnoir Sep 2012 #55

Yes there were in the past, King_David Sep 2012 #56

so were these Canadian signs enforced? written into law ? azurnoir Sep 2012 #57

Az, you'd have to agree that Jews needed an Israel.... shira Sep 2012 #59

No I would say that the countries that would not allow entry azurnoir Sep 2012 #61

Pathetic post.... shira Sep 2012 #64

You are quite free to 'understand' whatever you wish too however I did not mention Israel azurnoir Sep 2012 #65

Irrelevant. nt King_David Sep 2012 #69

well it was relevant enough for you to comment n/t azurnoir Sep 2012 #71

i was interested enough to check on the "no jews, no dogs" sign shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #87

No Dogs and Jews Allowed King_David Oct 2012 #89

once again and your link does not address this at all how were those signs enforced? azurnoir Oct 2012 #91

Oh I think it addresses the issue King_David Oct 2012 #97

Good thing people can read huh? n/t azurnoir Oct 2012 #98

still no record of the actual sign... shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #100

Yeah, especially in the US and Canada..... shira Oct 2012 #92

so in your opinion Jews in the US had no political rights because they did not push the US azurnoir Oct 2012 #94

No, during WW2 Jews in North America feared doing anything.... shira Oct 2012 #95

for the luv what exactly were Jews in the US supposed to do prior or during WW2? azurnoir Oct 2012 #99

When I was a child (in the mid 1950's) we used to COLGATE4 Dec 2012 #260

signs in Fl said no Jews or dogs but then we can assume Blacks and Hispanics were welcome right? azurnoir Dec 2012 #261

No, blacks and Hispanics were certainly COLGATE4 Dec 2012 #290

so your saying that Jews did not know their place or what? azurnoir Dec 2012 #293

I'm not sure what your point is COLGATE4 Dec 2012 #294

my point is that those signs are something of an 'urban legend' azurnoir Dec 2012 #298

You are either stunningly uninformed or COLGATE4 Dec 2012 #304

neither but I've been around this track before and on this thread too azurnoir Dec 2012 #305

Don't flatter yourself COLGATE4 Dec 2012 #306

well okay but ya know azurnoir Dec 2012 #309

You pointed to a thread on DU King_David Dec 2012 #307

It was your claims that were debunked on this thread azurnoir Dec 2012 #308

This message was self-deleted by its author King_David Dec 2012 #310

Did the Jews of the SS Struma have equal rights in 1942? n/t shira Sep 2012 #60

perhaps you need to reread the comment or was this simply an oppurtunity azurnoir Sep 2012 #62

You should consider Zionism as equal rights for Jews collectively shira Sep 2012 #63

Zionism began began more than a generation prior to Israel azurnoir Sep 2012 #66

I don't hate Israel, I just think we put in the wrong place. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #78

Virtually every one of your statements is factually false. aranthus Dec 2012 #225

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2013 #363

The Free Gaza Movement Shows Its Anti-Semitic Face shira Oct 2012 #79

No antisemitism in this piece critical of Israel doxyluv13 Oct 2012 #105

Now that's just an idiotic article that begs to be ridiculed.... shira Oct 2012 #112

Dear Rabid Hater, BTW you didn't refute my point. doxyluv13 Oct 2012 #115

What point? That a rabid hater who believes in a nefarious Jewish Lobby... shira Oct 2012 #116

While I disagree with the OP (see post 15), you can't honestly regard antiwar.com and Giraldi as LeftishBrit Oct 2012 #119

Lots of DU'ers link to the extreme Rightwing antiwar.com shira Dec 2012 #137

That, in itself, is a RW talking point. You clearly have no comprehension of what you write. leveymg Dec 2012 #160

Here's how they describe themselves.... shira Dec 2012 #161

That's not extreme RW - it reads like the Henry Wallace Progressive Party platform from '48: leveymg Dec 2012 #162

They're xenophobic isolationists closer to Ron Paul, Pat Buchanon, & David Duke shira Dec 2012 #167

The only connection is that you put antiwar.com and David Duke into the same sentence. leveymg Dec 2012 #168

Duke makes the same arguments. As does Pat Buchanon.... shira Dec 2012 #170

If you want to be taken seriously, learn to spell names. leveymg Dec 2012 #172

Raimondo and Buchanan agree on few things. Yeah, right.... shira Dec 2012 #173

Again, if you want to be taken seriously, address the issue rather than another weak attempt at leveymg Dec 2012 #175

Though I disagree with the OP, Shira is right about antiwar.com LeftishBrit Dec 2012 #188

You cherry-picked the AW Mission Statement. Here's what you left out: leveymg Dec 2012 #189

Sorry, but right-libertarian, anti-social-safety net, anti-welfare views are so utterly evil that we LeftishBrit Dec 2012 #190

You are SO off-base. Randoph Bourne was a progressive, a cultural radical, and a Socialist. leveymg Dec 2012 #192

But they also endorse Garret Garrett LeftishBrit Dec 2012 #193

I agree with you. delrem Dec 2012 #195

I see your point. But, your complaint reminds me most strongly of this by John Stuart Mill: leveymg Dec 2012 #199

So tell me, do you take racists seriously.... shira Dec 2012 #200

If one reads Antiwar.com, and supports their right to publish, that is not "selling (Buchanan)." leveymg Dec 2012 #207

So you'd advocate the same way for Stormfront as you do antiwar.com? n/t shira Dec 2012 #208

There would be little in Stormfront that I would find interesting or commendable. leveymg Dec 2012 #211

You're on a site that censors StormFront. shira Dec 2012 #212

It's bad enough that we have fanatical zionists and anti-z's. The Nazis aren't missed here. leveymg Dec 2012 #213

Would you by the same token... LeftishBrit Dec 2012 #217

To paraphrase Berkeley, "if the idea is never allowed to be cited or linked, was it ever expressed?" leveymg Dec 2012 #241

It is not the dilemma that 'Shira and I' are creating LeftishBrit Dec 2012 #245

so esentially what your seem to be saying here is that who says something is more important azurnoir Dec 2012 #251

Here's what I said about this in an earlier post LeftishBrit Dec 2012 #262

KEN O’KEEFE EMBRACES WHITE SUPREMACIST DAVID DUKE shira Oct 2012 #118

Thanks shira Tony Greenstein promotes Ali Abunumah's statement you know the one you claim azurnoir Oct 2012 #120

So tell me. If Greenstein is exposed as an anti-Semite... shira Oct 2012 #121

hey if you wish to 'expose' your own source on antisemitism as an antisemite azurnoir Oct 2012 #122

Ali Abunimah: Israelis whining about rockets shira Oct 2012 #123

Ali Abunimah says Hamas rockets are legitimate resistance shira Dec 2014 #397

Respect activist: was Hitler the bad guy? shira Oct 2012 #124

Ali Abunimah claims Israeli made food is racist shira Nov 2012 #125

Israeli made food is racist and do not forget 'Apartheid' too .... nt King_David Nov 2012 #131

Nazi apartheid food. n/t shira Nov 2012 #134

He's thinking of starting a food blog oberliner Nov 2012 #132

Ben White dreams that, by the “bloodshed and sweat of martyrs”, Palestine will be free! shira Nov 2012 #126

Yawn ... Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #127

Bigotry and hatred isn't anything to yawn about on a liberal board. shira Nov 2012 #129

That screed is definitely something to yawn about. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #130

It's hard to argue the reality.... shira Nov 2012 #133

Liars @ Pal. Solidarity linking to insanely antisemitic PRESS-TV article shira Dec 2012 #135

Ali Abunimah running interference for Hamas incitement vs. Jews shira Dec 2012 #136

Why should the article condemn Meshal for something he did not say? nt delrem Dec 2012 #138

What do you think he means by Zionists here? Hint , it is not Zionist christians in the USA . King_David Dec 2012 #139

Let me guess: you didn't read the article? delrem Dec 2012 #140

"You steal land"? Who is "you"? David isn't Israeli. shira Dec 2012 #142

David is arguing the Zionist Israeli case delrem Dec 2012 #145

David is arguing Meshaal is a racist, bigoted POS.... shira Dec 2012 #196

Meshaal may be a racist, bigoted POS, but *he didn't say what it is claimed he said*! delrem Dec 2012 #197

That's simply mendacious! delrem Dec 2012 #144

Ha Ha... its ALWAYS a 'mistranslation' King_David Dec 2012 #146

You are already mendacious. delrem Dec 2012 #147

Ali Hasan Abunimah is a Palestinian American journalist King_David Dec 2012 #149

Who is fluent in Arabic. delrem Dec 2012 #150

Excuse for what ? Everything I posted is 100% accurate . nt King_David Dec 2012 #151

100% mendacious. nt delrem Dec 2012 #152

No you are using the wrong word, King_David Dec 2012 #153

It is the correct word. delrem Dec 2012 #155

. King_David Dec 2012 #156

This message was self-deleted by its author AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #157

'Zionists believe the bible gives them the land they stole from the Palestinians' King_David Dec 2012 #163

The Israeli religious right believes such things; not all Zionists. LeftishBrit Dec 2012 #264

this was posted before riverwalker Dec 2012 #158

No it just somehow keeps getting kicked back up again and again azurnoir Dec 2012 #164

It's false on the face of it. delrem Dec 2012 #165

My post had nothing to do with the veracity of the OP itself azurnoir Dec 2012 #169

Ah, I see! delrem Dec 2012 #181

Amazing that you comfortable calling a fellow DU member an idiot , King_David Dec 2012 #171

No, it's an accurate description. While anti-zionism need not be anti-semitic..... shira Dec 2012 #174

Location, locatoin, location. ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #159

What are you trying to accomplish, Shira? Harry_Scrote Dec 2012 #176

The same thing as always DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #178

:( Harry_Scrote Dec 2012 #185

The motive is to expose anti-zionists for being ugly anti-semites. shira Dec 2012 #194

shira: anti-zionists = anti-semites delrem Dec 2012 #198

Let's start with the FreeGaza movement.... shira Dec 2012 #201

one heinous tweet delrem Dec 2012 #205

There's a lot more in that thread than 1 tweet. shira Dec 2012 #206

"Gilad Atzmon, Alison Weir, and other VERY nasty antisemites" delrem Dec 2012 #214

Are you familiar with Atzmon and Weir.... shira Dec 2012 #219

This is a ridiculous statement - did you even read the article? oberliner Dec 2012 #187

"ONLY ideology"? How many others have been tried? & If it "saves" why is there so much threat? patrice Dec 2012 #177

No. elleng Dec 2012 #179

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #180

What a disgusting post. King_David Dec 2012 #182

ah so you got that nasty post hidden can we please see the jury results I would really like to know azurnoir Dec 2012 #183

Doesn't say anything more than a jury voted 5-1 to hide it King_David Dec 2012 #184

It means that someone before you alerted. Ms. Toad Dec 2012 #186

I guess it was simultaneous King_David Dec 2012 #191

You just alerted while the first jury was out. n/t Ms. Toad Dec 2012 #215

A whole religion has been hijacked for a political project. Democratopia Dec 2012 #202

So in 1948 it made sense. After so many years.... shira Dec 2012 #209

I don't agree with that at all, and not what I am saying. Democratopia Dec 2012 #221

Many Jews ? i say Bullshit ! King_David Dec 2012 #216

You seem to disrespect those that do not agree with you. Democratopia Dec 2012 #222

Naturei Karta ? King_David Dec 2012 #224

Try this group of 77 North American Rabbis -Are they all "Holocaust denial homophobic nut jobs" too? Democratopia Dec 2012 #227

LOL King_David Dec 2012 #230

Are you a TTJ or Neturei Karta? aranthus Dec 2012 #226

I don't support these groups - just showing not all Jews are Zionists. Democratopia Dec 2012 #229

There is about 200 of them nt King_David Dec 2012 #231

'I don't support these groups' King_David Dec 2012 #232

Why do you call it propoganda? I don't know how many anti-Zionist there are. However, Democratopia Dec 2012 #236

"Zionism is a problem - not a Jewish state being the problem" King_David Dec 2012 #242

As I have said in another post, Zionism was a movement to create a Jewish state. Democratopia Dec 2012 #247

I think your having difficulty grasping the Zionist concept, King_David Dec 2012 #284

My wife doesn't agree with me, but we have Jewish friends who do. Democratopia Dec 2012 #285

That is strange indeed...theres not that many Republican Jews... King_David Dec 2012 #291

Anti-palestinians have watered "antisemitism" into meaninglessness - as camouflage Scootaloo Dec 2012 #204

So all the examples like FreeGaza, Ali Abunimah, BDS, the ISM & PSC.... shira Dec 2012 #210

For the most part I find your assertions baseless Scootaloo Dec 2012 #218

Of course you do. And no specifics, of course..... shira Dec 2012 #220

Shira is wrong about these organizations because Shira provides no evidence Scootaloo Dec 2012 #235

I've provided plenty of evidence.... shira Dec 2012 #240

We've already confirmed Greta Berlin Scootaloo Dec 2012 #243

And FreeGaza's current board all support her. In fact, Greta Berlin remains on the board..... shira Dec 2012 #263

You're right, I didn't respond to that. Scootaloo Dec 2012 #276

You're making yet another ridiculous comparison. shira Dec 2012 #278

Great post Scootaloo. Democratopia Dec 2012 #223

oops King_David Dec 2012 #296

Bunk. aranthus Dec 2012 #228

I don't agree that Zionism only means the continued existence of Israel. Democratopia Dec 2012 #234

Now I see where you're going. You assume we're against criticism of Israel.... shira Dec 2012 #238

But that isn't what Zionism is. aranthus Dec 2012 #244

Zionism was a movement to give the Jewish people a safe haven. They have that. The Zionist movement Democratopia Dec 2012 #246

Respectfully, you don't get to define Zionism. n/t aranthus Dec 2012 #249

well then why don't you define Zionism for us n/t azurnoir Dec 2012 #252

From Dictionary.com aranthus Dec 2012 #257

well the poster you were addressing seems to fit that description azurnoir Dec 2012 #259

That isn't as important as you think. aranthus Dec 2012 #265

yes it is important because how can one support Israel's existence azurnoir Dec 2012 #266

You support Israel within the green line, but with RoR ensured.... shira Dec 2012 #270

Thank you for proving my point azurnoir Dec 2012 #271

Thank you Azurnoir. Democratopia Dec 2012 #283

oops King_David Dec 2012 #295

Your point being that you didn't mention you're for RoR into Israel.... shira Dec 2012 #301

lol no one in this conversation save you has mentioned RoR azurnoir Dec 2012 #302

Oh? Am I wrong? Suddenly you're not for RoR anymore??? n/t shira Dec 2012 #303

That's the argument made in the OP, however Scootaloo Dec 2012 #237

It isn't just a dismissal of other Jews, but a dismissal of a religion and of a democracy, Democratopia Dec 2012 #248

oops King_David Dec 2012 #297

As I said to another poster, you don't get to define Zionism. aranthus Dec 2012 #250

I can't believe you would bring ethnicity into this. In fact, I am appalled. Democratopia Dec 2012 #255

It's about ideas of a movement. aranthus Dec 2012 #256

I am saying that others have redefined Zionism - it is not me who is defining it. Democratopia Dec 2012 #267

There are many different varieties of Zionism, aranthus Scootaloo Dec 2012 #268

Yes, of course. aranthus Dec 2012 #274

I just go by what the loudest "Pro-Israeli" people keep telling me Scootaloo Dec 2012 #280

Zionism is NOT about there not being a Palestinian homeland. shira Dec 2012 #272

Iget it from you, Shira Scootaloo Dec 2012 #281

No, you really don't. Do you think those claiming "disputed territory".... shira Dec 2012 #288

Ahhh, the trolley problem! Sort of. In a stunted fashion. Scootaloo Dec 2012 #311

You cheated. shira Dec 2012 #313

No, I pointed out the inconsistency of your argument Scootaloo Dec 2012 #314

Okay then....so let's make it more similar shira Dec 2012 #316

Except that's still not similar; there are alternate choices. Scootaloo Dec 2012 #317

No, there aren't alternate choices. He has already started firing away.... shira Dec 2012 #318

The thought experiment is not a good mirror of reality, Shira Scootaloo Dec 2012 #319

While you were typing, 2 more kids were shot dead... shira Dec 2012 #320

What do I do? Scootaloo Dec 2012 #321

What you just did was let the shooter kill dozens.... shira Dec 2012 #322

because your example was stupid and far removed from reality. Scootaloo Dec 2012 #323

You were in a lose-lose situation. And you chose for dozens to be killed.... shira Dec 2012 #324

You can't keep your story straight, Shira Scootaloo Dec 2012 #325

So the Jews I know who are anti-Zionist are anti-Semitic? Bullfuckingshit. Your post is hatespeech. MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #233

Do they support organizations or networks that work & coordinate with.... shira Dec 2012 #239

We should work to find peaceful solutions. Democratopia Dec 2012 #253

Jews live in constant fear in Iran. I know many Persian Jews..... shira Dec 2012 #275

It isn't about hating Jews. Democratopia Dec 2012 #282

If Hamas and the PA were like the IRA, there'd have been 2 states in 1947. shira Dec 2012 #287

That depends on where they are coming from. aranthus Dec 2012 #254

I still find it odd that so much fighting has been done over this rbixby Dec 2012 #258

Israel is a very successful multi-cultural nation - Muslims, Christians, Druze, Bedouins, Democratopia Dec 2012 #269

I agree rbixby Dec 2012 #273

Progressives and Liberals cannot ever hope for peace with the Taliban.... shira Dec 2012 #277

OMG how clever-not what you posted is a wordy rehash of the nefarious rightist line azurnoir Dec 2012 #279

No surprise coming from you. You're for Palestinian nationalism.... shira Dec 2012 #286

I am for Palestinian self determination which you redefine as nationalism azurnoir Dec 2012 #289

If Hamas runs the show for a Palestinian state, that's perfectly okay with you.... shira Dec 2012 #299

No it isn't intaglio Dec 2012 #326

What nonsense. aranthus Jan 2013 #336

Well apart from the fact you are replying to a month old post intaglio Jan 2013 #337

wow..talk about the narrow minded..... pelsar May 2013 #357

Syria bombs Palestinian camps. World is silent. shira Dec 2012 #327

Mondoweiss: "Israel’s worldwide role in repression" shira Jan 2013 #328

Is criticism of Israeli policies and human rights abuses anti-Zionism? R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #329

Is frothing, rightwing obsessive criticism of Islamist countries.... shira Jan 2013 #330

So you choose not to answer the question, but ask a different multiple-part question? R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #331

We at least agree that frothing, rightwing obsessive criticism of anything.... shira Jan 2013 #332

Did you intend on answering my earlier question? R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #333

The answer is "no"; unless it's frothing and obsessive criticism.... shira Jan 2013 #334

"The ethnic majority in Israel are colonial, thieving, ethnic cleansing, genocidal apartheidists" R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #335

That type of demonization of Jews is not legitimate criticism... shira Jan 2013 #338

The UN and international community see it differently, but I'm sure you may R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #339

George Galloway doesn't debate Israelis (Jews) shira Feb 2013 #340

(VIDEO) Shlomo Sand at SOAS: Israel is “a shitty nation” & “the most racist society in the world”. shira Feb 2013 #341

Wow. Shlomo Sand, a professor of History at Tel Aviv University believes R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #342

There's a Palestinian journalist the pro-Palestinians here at DU cannot stand.... shira Feb 2013 #343

The question wasn't about Khaled Abu Toameh, Shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #344

Another failure by you to answer a simple question. It's obvious all you're capable of here.... shira Feb 2013 #345

No, Shira, it was YOU who didn't answer the question. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #346

I feel such a person is a bigot and anti-semite, much like Gilad Atzmon or Bobby Fischer. shira Feb 2013 #347

"Fuck him." R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #348

A Jew-baiting Tweet by the Guardian’s Michael White shira Mar 2013 #349

Michael White did this to Borat (Sasha Baron Cohen) years ago.... shira Mar 2013 #353

Israel Apartheid Week bigots toss Israeli out of college campus shira Mar 2013 #350

Some Christians like to think America was created to mitigate their persecution by GB etal randr Mar 2013 #351

I'm pro American. I would like to opt out of the problem and let... Walk away Mar 2013 #352

(VIDEO) Jew Bashing - Anti-Semitism in Europe shira May 2013 #354

I should thank you for posting jessie04 May 2013 #358

(Video) Jew Bashing - Anti-Semitism in the USA shira May 2013 #355

Alice Walker recorded @ 42:10: "Zionists will no longer control our Congress". n/t shira Jun 2013 #367

(Video) Jew Bashing - Anti-Semitism in the Middle East shira May 2013 #356

The New Anti-Semitism Israeli May 2013 #359

Did you watch the video you responded to? Or have a problem with it? n/t shira May 2013 #361

I watched it shira .... Israeli May 2013 #364

So you watched it....and disagree? You don't see antisemitism there? shira May 2013 #365

(Video) Jew Bashing - Anti-Semitism in Canada shira Jun 2013 #366

(Video) Zionist Muslims: Moderate Islam Must Fight the Radical shira Jun 2013 #368

Paul Larudee of the International Solidarity movement: Some "peace" activist shira Apr 2014 #369

It's good to see that some are sweating it over the recent movement by Abbas... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2014 #370

Why anti-Zionism is inherently anti-Semitic (thread at DU) shira Nov 2014 #371

Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism (thread at DU) shira Nov 2014 #372

Mondoweiss supports unrepentant terrorist Rasmea Odeh shira Nov 2014 #373

JVP haters support terrorist Rasmea Odeh shira Nov 2014 #374

Max Blumenthal supports Rasmea Odeh too... shira Nov 2014 #378

JVP San Diego sponsored jew hater Alison Weir shira Nov 2014 #385

Electronic Intifada supports terrorist murderer Rasmea Odeh shira Nov 2014 #375

Cynthia McKinney softball interview w/ gutter anti-Semite Gilad Atzmon shira Nov 2014 #376

Max Blumenthal: American Jews are newest whitest WASPs shira Nov 2014 #377

New Low: Anti-Israel BDS Connects Ferguson to ‘Palestine’! shira Nov 2014 #379

David Sheen's vulgar demonization of orthodox Judaism shira Nov 2014 #380

Alison Weir says blood libels were true, pogroms good.... shira Nov 2014 #381

Mondoweiss says it wouldn't be surprising Israel used actors to fake Holocaust testimony. shira Nov 2014 #382

Medea Benjamin goes to Iran to participate in hatefest shira Nov 2014 #383

Mondoweiss: Lutherans, PeaceNow & B’Tselem are "enablers of destruction of Palestine". shira Nov 2014 #384

Mondoweiss:"Like many Jews of conscience....you're fed-up w/ all things Jewish." shira Nov 2014 #386

Neo-Nazi opens Max Blumenthal event sponsored by Jeremy Corbyn MP. shira Nov 2014 #387

B'Tselem researcher says Holocaust never happened shira Nov 2014 #388

JVP via Mondoweiss: All Jews responsible 4 every Palestinian killed shira Nov 2014 #389

UNRWA employees openly celebrate murder of 4 Rabbis in synagogue attack shira Nov 2014 #390

Al-Jazeera op-ed praises synagogue murders of 4 Rabbis shira Nov 2014 #391

BDS Group Spreads Photoshopped Image of Concentration Camp Inmates Holding Anti-Israel Posters shira Nov 2014 #392

Jewish Students Have the Right to Feel Safe on Campus shira Dec 2014 #393

Croatia: Anti-Israel Palestinian-propaganda movie co-opts Anne Frank shira Dec 2014 #394

Dec 2014: Max Blumenthal does David Duke impersonation on twitter shira Dec 2014 #395

"Anti-Imperial" BDS posits Hamas supporters R more progressive than Lib. Zios shira Dec 2014 #396

Mondoweiss agrees w/ PLO: Terrorist murderers are freedom fighters shira Dec 2014 #398

Mondoweiss: Palestinians (Hamas) have right to self-defense shira Aug 2015 #439

Mondoweiss editor denies Jewish Temple history in Jerusalem shira Dec 2014 #399

Mondoweiss: Israel is satanic shira Dec 2014 #400

Mondoweiss publishes anti-semite & David Duke supporter Jeffrey Blankfort shira Dec 2014 #401

No. elleng Dec 2014 #402

Phil Weiss is Jewish & many examples in this thread show.... shira Dec 2014 #404

Daily Kos bans Mondoweiss for being anti-semitic shira Dec 2014 #403

Mondoweiss counts Jews; just like Stormfront & Jew Watch shira Dec 2014 #405

Mondoweiss whitewashes Hamas: "Understanding Hamas" shira Dec 2014 #406

Max Blumenthal calls on Israeli Jews to indigenize themselves in mideast... shira Dec 2014 #407

Max Blumenthal supports Hamas rockets and terror tunnels into Israel shira Dec 2014 #408

Dec. 6, 2014: BrightonBDS says beware of Zionist support for foodbanks shira Dec 2014 #409

Mondoweiss defends Hamas refusal to change grotesque, racist, genocidal charter.... shira Dec 2014 #410

Pro-Hamas Middle East Monitor (MEMO): Why Hamas shouldn't change charter... shira Dec 2014 #411

+972 with ridiculous article explaining away Hamas terror tunnels... shira Dec 2014 #412

So-called "Human Rights Watch" defends Hamas war crimes..... shira Dec 2014 #413

Lots of evidence of BDS hero David Sheen's ugly anti-semitism... shira Dec 2014 #414

10% of Mondoweiss funding comes from conservative, rightwing racist Ron Unz... shira Dec 2014 #415

Mondoweiss happy to publish longtime Jew hater Jeffrey Blankfort... shira Dec 2014 #416

Greta Berlin of FreeGaza & ISM claims Israel behind Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris shira Jan 2015 #417

FreeGaza, ISM, BDS'er Mary Hughes Thompson blames Zionists for Paris attack... shira Jan 2015 #418

S.African pro-terror BDS hosts double-hijacker Leila Khaled shira Jan 2015 #419

Mondoweiss: Doubling down with injection of truth..Terrorists = freedom fighters shira Jan 2015 #420

Pro-Hezbollah group #NYC2Palestine and JVP disrupted NYC council Auschwitz vote. shira Jan 2015 #421

UN Spox Chris Gunness runs cover for UNRWA Union's Holocaust denial shira Apr 2015 #422

Why equating Israel w/Nazis is soft-core Holocaust Denial shira Apr 2015 #423

"Pro-Palestinians" don't seem to be "pro-anyone" shira Apr 2015 #424

The Humanitarian Show shira Apr 2015 #425

There's something very ugly in this rage against Israel shira Apr 2015 #426

I think you should call an exorcist who can lay this thread to rest. n/t Little Tich Apr 2015 #428

You say you're strongly against hate & this thread proves beyond any.... shira Jun 2015 #435

and Anti-Manifest Destiny is anti-White-Male Tyranny Stargleamer Apr 2015 #427

Mondoweiss is a hate site shira May 2015 #429

Hamas supporters behind latest Flotilla from Sweden shira May 2015 #430

HRW's Ken Roth's very 1st tweet about Nepal disaster criticizes Israeli aid shira May 2015 #431

72% of EU Jews regard BDS as anti-Semitic: shira May 2015 #432

Lancet Medical Journal publishes lies & incitement from David Duke & 911 supporters shira May 2015 #433

President Obama says anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism shira Jun 2015 #434

South African BDS protesters threaten to kill Jews shira Jun 2015 #436

Phil Weiss of Mondoweiss counting Jews... shira Jun 2015 #437

Mondoweiss & Holocaust Deniers shira Jun 2015 #438

Mondoweiss still on the fence regarding antisemite, Alison Weir shira Aug 2015 #441

Just when Mondoweiss couldn't get more idiotic, THEY DO.... shira Jan 2016 #442

Amira Hass of Haaretz actually invokes "Elders of Zion" shira Jan 2016 #443

Gideon Levy justifies, incites more attacks on Jewish kids, elderly, pregnant women.... shira Jan 2016 #444

(Brilliant) Open letter to the anti-Israel Left. shira Feb 2016 #445

I can't decide whether Jews Down Under is a hate site or not. What do you think? Little Tich Feb 2016 #448

I'm not convinced it is. But that Open Letter nailed it, don't you think? n/t shira Feb 2016 #449

Oh, the post I replied to? Forgot about that, I was too busy attacking the messenger... Little Tich Feb 2016 #450

But all of that is 100% true. Try naming one thing that's false in that paragraph. n/t shira Feb 2016 #453

No. You try naming one of them leftist the article is "responding" to... n/t Little Tich Feb 2016 #454

That's easy... shira Feb 2016 #455

Well played... Little Tich Feb 2016 #456

It's just about removing settlements & ending occupation? Please. shira Feb 2016 #457

This is getting off-topic, but do you have a point with the 1947 partition plan? Little Tich Feb 2016 #458

Your being against the '47 Partition Plan shows you want the Jewish State gone... shira Feb 2016 #459

I'm not a -stater at all, so you can stop bifurcating... Little Tich Feb 2016 #460

If you want a solution where civil rights are retained.... shira Feb 2016 #461

I'm beginning to have problems with physically navigating this mammoth of a thread. Little Tich Feb 2016 #464

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #446

No. elleng Feb 2016 #451

HAMAS is the natural consequence of Zionist aggression against the farmers in Palestine.. Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #452

"globalresearch" is your go to source? grossproffit Feb 2016 #462

Is there a problem with the source? Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #463

John Mearsheimer endorses Far-Right racist Ron Unz shira Jun 2016 #465

Holocaust denier defends David Duke on Mondoweiss benefactor Ron Unz website... shira Jun 2016 #466

Mondoweiss: The meritocracy is rigged Little Tich Jun 2016 #469

Andrew Gelman completely ripped Unz's research... shira Jun 2016 #470

It's unconceivable that Philip Weiss is unaware of the extent of Unz's racialist ideas, Little Tich Jun 2016 #471

Of course Weiss knows. Now look into Paul Craig Roberts & tell me what you find. n/t shira Jun 2016 #472

Not interested in researching Paul Craig Roberts? shira Jun 2016 #475

I was unaware of his existence until you told me about him. Little Tich Jun 2016 #476

Ron Unz financially supports Paul Craig Roberts, Mondoweiss, Alison Weir.... shira Jun 2016 #477

Mondoweiss article deliberately incites vs. Jews, mistranslating hebrew to english... shira Jun 2016 #467

Historians rebut Ken Livingstone’s claim that Hitler supported Zionism shira Jun 2016 #468

Netanyahu's a perfect person libodem Jun 2016 #473

Helps if you actually read the OP rather than posting strawmen. n/t shira Jun 2016 #474

Mondoweiss defends antisemitic Mahmoud Abbas libel re: Rabbi poisoning water.... shira Jun 2016 #478

Founder of Breaking the Silence antisemitic libel: Israeli settlers poisoning Palestinian water shira Jun 2016 #479

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